What does our UK contingent...

[j2k4]

From federal taxes, silly person.
I'm not sure what your ratio is but I know that Alaska gets $6 back for every $1 they submit.
Love to see how Sarah would work with just the money produced instate without the federal subsidies she claims to hate so much.

I would suspect that your state also gets back more than it sends in.

So, let's get that damned federal bureaucracy off your humble back...how do you fund a crumbling infrastructure with a highly unemployed populace and corporations fleeing the state to go overseas?

So Alaska is your ultimate test-case?

Fine - keep the federal fundage and they can drill in ANWR.

They'd take that, you betcha.

Michigan would be fine as well.

[clocker]

No, Alaska is just an example...one of many.
BTW, ANWR output has been declining, along with it, the royalty checks that every Alaskan pockets yearly.
It's causing quite a problem up there.

How, specifically, will Michigan "be fine"?
Wasn't manufacturing your big revenue stream?

[999969999]

What sort of "cooperation" did you have in mind?

Your state has one of the nation's highest unemployment rates, your school system ranks in the bottom third and your infrastructure (roads, waterways and pollution control) is dismal.

How does a state cope with these sorts of issues without federal aid?
Especially while lowering taxes.

Just curious.

What's sad is that it is the federal government that led to these situations in the first place, and now many states are on life support from the very same monsterous government that forced them into the economic coma. It makes me sick to think about my own future. You people did this to my generation and now we are going to be left with all these problems to solve and no manufacturing base, no national wealth left behind to deal with it.

[clocker]

What's sad is that it is the federal government that led to these situations in the first place, and now many states are on life support from the very same monsterous government that forced them into the economic coma. .

Elucidate, please.
How did the federal govt. force Michigan into a coma?

[bigboab]

What sort of "cooperation" did you have in mind?

Your state has one of the nation's highest unemployment rates, your school system ranks in the bottom third and your infrastructure (roads, waterways and pollution control) is dismal.

How does a state cope with these sorts of issues without federal aid?
Especially while lowering taxes.

Just curious.

What's sad is that it is the federal government that led to these situations in the first place, and now many states are on life support from the very same monsterous government that forced them into the economic coma. It makes me sick to think about my own future. You people did this to my generation and now we are going to be left with all these problems to solve and no manufacturing base, no national wealth left behind to deal with it.

How can you blame the Government? The worlds economic mess was/is caused by greedy businessmen try to screw every buck they can out of transactions. Transferring their manufacturing base abroad because labour is cheaper. Governments should impose higher import taxes on goods that were originally manufactured in the country. I know it is a two way sword but thing would eventually settle down.
Oh! I nearly forgot the main cause of the recent recession. Yuppies gambling and losing vast amounts of money that does not belong to them
. More Government control is needed in that area. I am trying to find what the common working man did to cause the recession. When I find out I will come back to you on that.

[999969999]

What's sad is that it is the federal government that led to these situations in the first place, and now many states are on life support from the very same monsterous government that forced them into the economic coma. .

Elucidate, please.
How did the federal govt. force Michigan into a coma?

Well, for starters, the E.P.A. regulations have been like a noose around the auto manufacturing industry's neck for a long time. And labor laws favoring unions certainly haven't helped, either.

As in the lyrics to the song "Illiterature" by Adam Schmitt: "We've got no chance to change the world, it's dumped on us to save it."

How true!

[999969999]

What's sad is that it is the federal government that led to these situations in the first place, and now many states are on life support from the very same monsterous government that forced them into the economic coma. It makes me sick to think about my own future. You people did this to my generation and now we are going to be left with all these problems to solve and no manufacturing base, no national wealth left behind to deal with it.

How can you blame the Government? The worlds economic mess was/is caused by greedy businessmen try to screw every buck they can out of transactions. Transferring their manufacturing base abroad because labour is cheaper. Governments should impose higher import taxes on goods that were originally manufactured in the country. I know it is a two way sword but thing would eventually settle down.
Oh! I nearly forgot the main cause of the recent recession. Yuppies gambling and losing vast amounts of money that does not belong to them
. More Government control is needed in that area. I am trying to find what the common working man did to cause the recession. When I find out I will come back to you on that.

I agree with you about tariffs. We could fund our government programs with tariffs and encourage factories to come back here with tariffs. Donald Trump agrees with this idea as well.

[clocker]

Well, for starters, the E.P.A. regulations have been like a noose around the auto manufacturing industry's neck for a long time.

So it wasn't shoddy assembly, lackadaisical design and refusal to invest in their own infrastructure that hurt the Big Three...it was the EPA all along.

What an interesting piece of nonsense.

Donald Trump agrees with this idea as well.

You're killing me with irony.

[Squeamous]

Good God, um, (I-can't remember-your-name-and-I-feel-horrible-about-it).

You know, I recall you (no, not you, but Sonja) recently made a case somewhere on this board about your bottom-line distaste for anal sex.

Some others of us agree on that particular point, and wish our fiscal-anal orifices to remain unsullied.

Is it too much to ask.

Oh, ffs.

Get over yourself you big poof. You're not worth even a fraction of the amount of money you have and you know it x

[Snee]

I don't live in the UK, so not allowed to post, so I'm just posting to confirm that Kevin is a big poof.

Other than that, the link is dead, so I can't see what it says really, all I've got is the headline. Working from that (and some googling), I'm not quite sure what this would change for the average worker, though. I mean, assuming the system works smoothly (hahahaha) workers with steady employment will still get their money once per month or whatever, and the taxes should presumably be about the same, just harder to dodge now.

Other than the initial hit (through additional taxes bearing the costs of putting the system in place) I don't really see the problem for employers or employees. This should mean that employers don't have to do the paperwork, meaning it saves them money, and the employees pay their taxes as they earn their money.

I'd be pissed if I was in the habit of dodging taxes though, as this would make it harder.

Taxes on the money I earn already get paid before I even see it, and that works. A system like this would preclude an employer telling me they've sent that money on but haven't, meaning I've effectively not paid any taxes (has happened).

Obviously, someone is gonna fuck up, but it might as well be the government, rather than employers, as government can't grab your money and run off to Canada. If it means delaying people from getting their money though, the big losers are going to be people who don't earn the same every month. Both government and employers come out on top here, the way I see this. Less work and thus less costs for employers, more efficient tax collection for government.