Cool It!

[megabyteme]

9's, it is your skepticism towards global warming that makes me doubt mine. With your track record, I may seriously have to rethink my long-held position.

[Quarterquack]

Saying the rise of the sea level will slow down is not tantamount to saying the sea level will drop. Two completely different things, and if you fail to see the difference, you should really read into/distort Obama's words slower, next time.

Anyway, I guess what's wrong with the world (that no movie will change) is that people will not care or care enough to care no matter the consequences. A thread about a serious debate is started and it degenerates into a battle of semantics. Priorities/Survival - 0. Humans - 1.

[999969999]

9's, it is your skepticism towards global warming that makes me doubt mine. With your track record, I may seriously have to rethink my long-held position.

That's a stupid thing to say.

If you're skeptical of MAN-MADE global warming for valid reasons and then you change your mind based on the fact that someone you dislike is also skeptical of it, you are too easily swayed by emotion.

Humans have a small role in global warming and can do very little about it besides adapting to it and preparing for it. We're not going to stop the earth from going through natural warming periods in between ice ages, mainly caused by the sun-- which is completely beyond our control. If we must worry about something, the thing to really worry about is the return of a new ice age. We are due for one. And it will kill far more people than global warming.

[999969999]

Take that, Clocky and Lucifer (devilsadvocate) !

Living off the sweat of others again?

A sweat vampire, perhaps?

[Quarterquack]

Humans have a small role in global warming and can do very little about it besides adapting to it and preparing for it. We're not going to stop the earth from going through natural warming periods in between ice ages, mainly caused by the sun-- which is completely beyond our control. If we must worry about something, the thing to really worry about is the return of a new ice age. We are due for one. And it will kill far more people than global warming.

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to get your gears wound up or anything, but can you cite any sort of respectable (unaltered) research that backs up any of this? As far as I know, most "real" research has been inconclusive on both sides of the argument, and research done thereafter, "proving" that the sun was the source of the problem entire, has been outright flawed. I'd be duly indebted if you could point me to any sources that say otherwise.

- For the record, I'm a skeptic myself; however, not enough to deny that we (as a species) are at least responsible for the 0.3% extra greenhouse gases we shit into the air.

[megabyteme]

9's, it is your skepticism towards global warming that makes me doubt mine. With your track record, I may seriously have to rethink my long-held position.

That's a stupid thing to say.

If you're skeptical of MAN-MADE global warming for valid reasons and then you change your mind based on the fact that someone you dislike is also skeptical of it, you are too easily swayed by emotion.

Humans have a small role in global warming and can do very little about it besides adapting to it and preparing for it. We're not going to stop the earth from going through natural warming periods in between ice ages, mainly caused by the sun-- which is completely beyond our control. If we must worry about something, the thing to really worry about is the return of a new ice age. We are due for one. And it will kill far more people than global warming.

I'll add no discernible sense of humor to your long list of shortcomings.

[999969999]

Humans have a small role in global warming and can do very little about it besides adapting to it and preparing for it. We're not going to stop the earth from going through natural warming periods in between ice ages, mainly caused by the sun-- which is completely beyond our control. If we must worry about something, the thing to really worry about is the return of a new ice age. We are due for one. And it will kill far more people than global warming.

I'm sorry, I'm really not trying to get your gears wound up or anything, but can you cite any sort of respectable (unaltered) research that backs up any of this? As far as I know, most "real" research has been inconclusive on both sides of the argument, and research done thereafter, "proving" that the sun was the source of the problem entire, has been outright flawed. I'd be duly indebted if you could point me to any sources that say otherwise.

- For the record, I'm a skeptic myself; however, not enough to deny that we (as a species) are at least responsible for the 0.3% extra greenhouse gases we shit into the air.

Re-read my post which you quoted... "Humans have a small role in global warming" which you might say this way "we are at least responsible for the 0.3% extra greenhouse gasses we shit into the air." I would argue even by your figures, .3% extra greenhouse gasses are not going to make that much of a difference either way.

I read the following book which had a chapter devoted to effects of the sun-- you know, that thing in the sky that warms up planet earth?-- on global warming...

The Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**And those who are too fearful to do so
by Lawrence Solomon.

And just think about it for a few seconds. Try to use some logic. If ice ages have come and gone on this planet before humans were shitting extra greenhouse gasses into the air, then how can we know for certain that the same natural forces which warmed the planet in the past, without any help from humans, is not playing a major role in the warming of the planet right now?

[devilsadvocate]

Give it up DA, HMPL was predisposed to dislike Obama and will parse (i.e., misread) anything he says for ammunition to fortify his preconception.

The eight year Bush administration must have been absolute hell for him.
After all, we had a President who claims that God told him to run and Jesus advised him on the war.
So, in essence, the most powerful man in the world was taking advice from imaginary beings.
HMPL must have been livid for nearly a decade.

Bush was misquoted and misinterpreted just as often as Obama has been. This seems to have been ignored or simply forgotten now he's in the background.

I feel that if you are going to judge a person by their words then you need to judge them on what they said and not what you perceive they are saying "between the lines" because of a dislike of the person or preconceived notion.

HeavyMetalParkingLot even hinted that it was his view of the man that molded his interpretation.

I am sorry but coming from this man, I actually think he believes he has this power.

This is birther conspiracy level crazy

[bigboab]

Does anyone in here actually believe what Presidents and PM's say?

Bush: 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7030383.stm

Bush 2010 http://www.thejournal.ie/bush-denies...-iraq-2010-11/

I saw him on TV tonight saying that waterboarding saved lives in the U.K. and the U.S.A. Personally I am all for torturing people 'caught in the act' to save others. They have no compassion, why should we. If it is war, then you have to fight on their playing field.

[clocker]

I read the following book which had a chapter devoted to effects of the sun-- you know, that thing in the sky that warms up planet earth?-- on global warming...

The Deniers: The World Renowned Scientists Who Stood Up Against Global Warming Hysteria, Political Persecution, and Fraud**And those who are too fearful to do so
by Lawrence Solomon.

So, your entire approach to global warming is based on the work of a charlatan?
Have you read more widely or is this it?