George Soros-- we need more foreign influence in the United States.

[devilsadvocate]

There will be localized areas around the drilling that will need the help of good old eminent domain. We do it for roads, why not do it for fuel?

So you're fine if your family farm falls to eminent domain?

Just out of curiosity do you think energy production should be nationalized?

[clocker]

So you're fine if your family farm falls to eminent domain?

Even better question:
How would you like a strip mine in Eagar?

Coal is only "clean" when you're nowhere near it.

[999969999]

So you're fine if your family farm falls to eminent domain?

Even better question:
How would you like a strip mine in Eagar?

Coal is only "clean" when you're nowhere near it.

Ha! We're sitting in an extinct volcanic caldera. Our land is worthless for mining. But if they paid us what our land was worth plus moving costs to re-locate to Pinetop, they can have Eagar and go nuts with it if they want to do that. Eminent domain.

Coal is clean now. On a clear, chilly day, I can see the smokestacks from the powerplant once I go over a hill. I have no problem having a coal plant nearby. I love electricity.

[999969999]

Some interesting maps-- especially for Clocky-- can be found here:

http://www.power-technology.com/proj...ngervillecoal/





Springerville Generating Station
Owners: TEP (Units 1 and 2); Tri-State Generation and Transmission (Unit 3); SRP (Unit 4)

Operator: TEP/UniSource

Location: Springerville, Ariz.

Description: Springerville Generating Station (SGS) is a state-of-the-art coal-fired power plant that will assure fuel diversity for a secure Arizona energy future and also enhance national energy security by using a dependable, domestic fuel source.

Total generating capability: Units 1 and 2 each bring 380 MW, for a total of 760 MW. Unit 3, which began operation in 2005, adds 400 MW for a combined total of 1160 MW. Unit 4 was completed in December 2009, adds another 400 MW, bringing the facility's expected capacity to 1560 MW.

Fuel source: Low-sulfur coal

Plant construction: Units 1 and 2 were completed in 1985 and 1990, respectively. Unit 3 was completed in summer 2006. Unit 4 was completed in December 2009.

Plant operations: Springerville supplies power to Tucson Electric Power (TEP), Tri-State Generation & Transmission, and the Salt River Project (SRP). Air emission controls on Unit 4 will meet EPA's Best Available Control Technology (BACT) requirements. Furthermore, emission controls on Units 1 and 2 were upgraded as part of the plant expansion. As a result, emissions from all four units will be less than the original two units.

Currently, power from SGS units 1,2 and 3 is transmitted to Tucson and into the grid serving Arizona. In addition, some of the SGS energy is used by Tri-State Generation & Transmission, a Denver-based wholesale power cooperative with member distribution systems in Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming and Nebraska.

The plant utilizes a proven and dependable water supply. Well fields that supply the four units are from aquifers deeper and separate from the aquifer that the towns rely on.

[devilsadvocate]

You didn't answer.

Should energy production be nationalized, should government be drilling or mining?


Should eminent domain be used to take a mans home to build a golf course or a mini mall?

[MagicNakor]

It won't completely trash the environment and it won't become a wasteland. Those concerns are completely overblown by econuts like you.

Have you been to any working mines, oil-rigs or tarsands? "Wasteland" is the perfect word to describe what happens to those areas. Ironically some of the cutting-edge advancements in "green technology" is as a result from trying to clean up and detoxify those areas.

If you were serious about caring for the environment and "clean energy", you would be advocating nuclear power.

[clocker]

Coal is clean now. On a clear, chilly day, I can see the smokestacks from the powerplant once I go over a hill. I have no problem having a coal plant nearby. I love electricity.

Radon is odorless and colorless.
Ergo, radon is clean now as well.

[999969999]

You didn't answer.

Should energy production be nationalized, should government be drilling or mining?


Should eminent domain be used to take a mans home to build a golf course or a mini mall?

No, energy production should be a private, for-profit venture. But the government has an interest in helping to promote domestic energy production for the prosperity and security of the country. So, instead of being the enemy of domestic energy production, like it currently is, it should try to be helpful.

Eminent domain should be used whenever the public has an overriding need for something, like a road or energy. The majority of the local town votes that they want a golf course or a mini mall there, then I think eminent domain should be used. Like I said, if they want to pay us what the land is worth and some moving costs to relocate to Pinetop, Arizona, then they can have our land and go nuts with it. I don't care what they put there. I'm not attached to land. It is just something to use and something which has value and can be bought and sold.

[999969999]

It won't completely trash the environment and it won't become a wasteland. Those concerns are completely overblown by econuts like you.

Have you been to any working mines, oil-rigs or tarsands? "Wasteland" is the perfect word to describe what happens to those areas. Ironically some of the cutting-edge advancements in "green technology" is as a result from trying to clean up and detoxify those areas.

If you were serious about caring for the environment and "clean energy", you would be advocating nuclear power.

Yes, Clifton, Arizona is not very far from here and they have open strip mine for copper, and the town is doing fine...

http://www.google.com/images?q=clift...iw=802&bih=440

I agree with you. I love nuclear power. It is clean, safe, and provides plentiful energy. I wish they would build a nuclear plant in Springerville. I would be fine with that.

[999969999]

Coal is clean now. On a clear, chilly day, I can see the smokestacks from the powerplant once I go over a hill. I have no problem having a coal plant nearby. I love electricity.

Radon is odorless and colorless.
Ergo, radon is clean now as well.

That's not what I said.

What I am saying is that there is a coal plant not far from here, and it does nothing benefit our community. I have no problem with it being there. I like it. It is not hurting anything.