Extending the Bush Tax Cuts

[999969999]

We don't have the highest standard of living.... hmmm... so that's why people are dying in the desert trying to come here illegally.
So, your definition of "highest standard of living" is based on whether impoverished Mexicans want to come here?
If Mexico shared a border with other nations that actually do have a higher standard of living, where do think they would go?


5% is huge, depending upon how much money your business makes.

5% is 5%, regardless of income.

5% of $1000 is $50
5% of $1,000,000 is $50,000

[999969999]

We don't have the highest standard of living.... hmmm... so that's why people are dying in the desert trying to come here illegally.

I would rather have Donald Trump-- who actually has some business experience-- run our country, than some ivy tower socialist who learned everything he needed to know about running the world's largest economy from Marxist textbooks.

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2010..._sob.cnnmoney/

5% is huge, depending upon how much money your business makes.

You can have Donald Trump. He is trying to buy half of Scotland at the moment.


Sour grapes are about five per cent.

I wish!

[999969999]

The poor don't pay taxes. Under my flat tax plan, they would pay taxes, so they could see that voting for democrats with big spending programs will just get them higher taxes.
They pay state tax, city tax (even if they rent), sales tax etc.
And talk about being fair-- everyone who lives in this country should pay at least some taxes. It is ridiculous for them to not pay anything at all in Federal taxes. They need to have some stake in the system so they know their voting has very real consequences for them in terms of taxes.

The vast majority of conservatives vote for the guy who wants to enforce their social agenda. See how far a pro choice pro stem cell pro gay rights atheist or just for spice, Muslim, republican candidate gets even if he's anti tax.

Like I said, they don't pay Federal tax, and the Federal government is where they get most of their handouts. They need to feel that tax bite to break them from thinking it's all just free money raining down on them. They need to know where that money comes from.

I'm pretty much atheist. I just don't tell most people who know me about it, and I don't care to shove it down people's throats. So, it's not part of my agenda. I'm also pro stem cell research. As for abortion, I don't care about the issue all that much, but I have a spin on it. I would like to see every person who applies for food stamps or welfare of any kind be permanently sterilized, to end the cycle of poverty. As for gays, I don't care what they do as long as I don't have to see it in public. As for Muslims, I wish they didn't take their religion so seriously. It seems like most Jews, and many Christians have finally mellowed out to the point where their religion is just not that big of a deal to them anymore. I wish Muslims would do that. I mean, rioting over a cartoon? WTF? Some artists stick Jesus on a cross in a jar of urine and Christians don't riot in the street over it.

[devilsadvocate]

Like I said, they don't pay Federal tax, and the Federal government is where they get most of their handouts. They need to feel that tax bite to break them from thinking it's all just free money raining down on them. They need to know where that money comes from.

So you think the best way to help people in poverty is to take more money from them?

[clocker]

I would like to see every person who applies for food stamps or welfare of any kind be permanently sterilized, to end the cycle of poverty. As for gays, I don't care what they do as long as I don't have to see it in public. As for Muslims, I wish they didn't take their religion so seriously. It seems like most Jews, and many Christians have finally mellowed out to the point where their religion is just not that big of a deal to them anymore. I wish Muslims would do that. I mean, rioting over a cartoon? WTF? Some artists stick Jesus on a cross in a jar of urine and Christians don't riot in the street over it.

You obliviousness almost leaves me speechless.

Just over a month ago one of your "mellow" Christians got in her car and drove from Montana to Colorado so she could destroy a painting on display in a small gallery.
Also, google "Gretchen Carlson+ war on Christmas" and see what comes up.
It ain't mellow.

So, "sterilize the needy", eh?
"Food stamps or welfare of any kind" is all it takes to qualify for your modest proposal...how's your grandma on Medicare going to like forced sterilization?
Not to mention every farmer who gets a government subsidy, every one who collects Social Security, etc., etc., etc.
That's a whole lot of pissed off- albeit sterile- people.

[sandman_1]

We are scared of this president and his democrats in congress. And from the conversations I have had with customers and suppliers, there is a large amount of businesses which are simply trying to wait out this presidency, which makes the economy even worse.

$250,000 is nothing for a small business. Even in our worst year, we make more than that, a lot more. You don't understand what it takes to keep a business moving forward. It's not the same thing as an individual making $250,000 per year in a salary.

This is what drives the capitalist system and allows us to live in the best country in the world with the highest standard of living. Greed drives capitalism. It is a natural human emotion. Denying it is not natural or right.

You want to see an outright depression? Do that.

There is opportunity out there for upward mobility. The major cause of this disparity is our trade deficit. The good paying jobs for the average person are going away. Ironically, if you want to do something about it, you will need to put someone like Donald Trump in office to solve the problem.

ou might care if it was your small business that about to get a huge tax increase.

Ok let me rebut you remarks:

Your first point is wrong. Even before Obama was in office, businesses have been holding on to their money. Production is up yet the amount that an average worker does too is up in contrast. People are working more and more for less pay and it didn't start with Obama.

$250,000 is a lot of money for a salary, which what I was talking about. You are very well off if you are making that in a year.

Greed is what also causes irresponsible behavior. Case in point, the latest economic meltdown. Like I said before, how much money is enough for one damn person? Jesus do people really need billions to live on while other people are living pay check to pay check? Share the wealth with your workers is all I am saying instead of hording it. Also you can want wealth and not be greedy. Greed is saying that you want wealth but whatever you get won't ever be enough. That is the problem.

Do I want a depression? No. However the rich have already almost caused that on a much larger scale, global depression, without being extra taxed. If it wasn't for the American tax payer bailing these idiots out, we would of had a global depression thanks to greed and irresponsible behavior. I challenge you to do research on this. You will find that major investment banks caused this economic down turn through trading of toxic assets, Credit Default Swaps (OTC Derivatives). Congress talked about regulating these derivatives but have yet to do it. Guess what, it will happen again, trust me.

Upward mobility? Ohh you are talking about the American dream, right. Wait didn't I post an article detailing the eroding of the middle-class? You other remarks are sort of right except for the mentioning of Donald Trump.

I am not against small business at all here. I am against these corporations, banks, and elitist pricks that hold the majority of the wealth and have our proverbial balls in their hands.

[999969999]

I would like to see every person who applies for food stamps or welfare of any kind be permanently sterilized, to end the cycle of poverty. As for gays, I don't care what they do as long as I don't have to see it in public. As for Muslims, I wish they didn't take their religion so seriously. It seems like most Jews, and many Christians have finally mellowed out to the point where their religion is just not that big of a deal to them anymore. I wish Muslims would do that. I mean, rioting over a cartoon? WTF? Some artists stick Jesus on a cross in a jar of urine and Christians don't riot in the street over it.

You obliviousness almost leaves me speechless.

Just over a month ago one of your "mellow" Christians got in her car and drove from Montana to Colorado so she could destroy a painting on display in a small gallery.
Also, google "Gretchen Carlson+ war on Christmas" and see what comes up.
It ain't mellow.

So, "sterilize the needy", eh?
"Food stamps or welfare of any kind" is all it takes to qualify for your modest proposal...how's your grandma on Medicare going to like forced sterilization?
Not to mention every farmer who gets a government subsidy, every one who collects Social Security, etc., etc., etc.
That's a whole lot of pissed off- albeit sterile- people.

Are you seriously comparing the lone Christian nutjob who acted alone to hordes of rioting Muslims?

Here's a good question for you, would you rather live under the system we currently have-- which was pretty much put in place by those evil Christians you despise so much-- or Sharia law?

As for ending the cycle of poverty, the current system rewards mothers who cannot care for the one child they already have by giving them more money if they get pregnant over and over again. They get more money and services for each additional child they have. I have seen them standing out in front of the D.E.S. office with a line of stairstep children behind them. Sterilization would bring that to an end. Another solution would be to simply not increase the amount of government aid they receive, no matter how many children they had, and over time, it would discourage them from having more children.

[clocker]

Westwood Baptist Church.
Scott Roeder.

Shall I continue?

And BTW, you don't get to put words in my mouth.
I have never said I "despise" Christians.

[devilsadvocate]

I wondering If 9 is posting this stuff just to be controversial, but doesn't know what he's really talking about

or

He is posting this stuff just to be controversial, and knows exactly what he's suggesting, but doesn't really feel that way.

or

He knows what he is saying and that's his actual ideology

[clocker]

Given some of the assertions he's made (just in this thread), such as...
" From my perspective, a small business which makes less than $250,000 per year is not doing very well, and is probably headed for bankruptcy."

"The vast majority of the people getting government "entitlements" like welfare, medicaid, social security, etc., pay little or no federal taxes at all. Some of them even get "Earned Income Tax Credits" where they actually get money back from the government after having paid no taxes whatsoever. It is redistribution of wealth. "

"I would like to see every person who applies for food stamps or welfare of any kind be permanently sterilized, to end the cycle of poverty. As for gays, I don't care what they do as long as I don't have to see it in public. As for Muslims, I wish they didn't take their religion so seriously. It seems like most Jews, and many Christians have finally mellowed out to the point where their religion is just not that big of a deal to them anymore."

...I would guess option #1 primarily, with a bit of #2 thrown in for spice.