What, do you think, makes a good member of a private tracker different from a bad...

[Disme]

BT is the P2P-method of 'the masses'.
'The masses', just as in real life is populated mostly by ignorant retards and plain scum, hence the continuing downfall of the BT-ethics.
Don't expect this to change anytime soon, or even ever ... This protocol is fucked up and clearly a victim of it's own popularity.

The little % of upstanding and caring members are turning silent on trackers, or are gradually shifting to other P2P-methods that involve less bullshit and focus mainly on the files.


@ OlegL ... grow a pair will you
Most of these 'powerfull'/knowledgeable and so-called smart people online are usually the biggest losers in real life, so i wouldn't give their opinions too much consideration.

[A]

@ OlegL ... grow a pair will you

/thread

[whatcdfan]

Sometimes I feel mentally retarded 'cause I don't understand how people view me as a person...

Wasn't it suggested before that you need to stop caring what a bunch of douchebag strangers online think of you? It's a little saddening to see that you haven't yet put that into practice, OlegL.

Just download whatever you want, seed it back the best you can, and don't worry about anything else. BT is simply a means to obtain files. Not something that you should allow to make you feel "mentally retarded".

what he said................

Most of these 'powerfull'/knowledgeable and so-called smart people online are usually the biggest losers in real life, so i wouldn't give their opinions too much consideration.

truth be said

[anon]

well, if you talk about privilege, it implies that they actually do people a favor by letting them join their tracker.

Maybe, though that's not what I meant.

good user: on fst, someone who does not cheat. on sb-i, someone who does.

I could tell you why such a black and white view is wrong, but no one cares anyway.

Well, but the most important part of that tracker, invite, is almost impossible to get without donation. So, what's the point of cheating?? just to have larger & harder e-penis?

There may be some of that thrown in.

But I, myself saw 3-4 users cheating the ratio in some torrents, even though they use ovh boxes for some torrents at the same time.

Just curious, what made you realize/think they were cheating?

[gamesover]

what did OlegL do?

What did U do to get banned at BTN?

[IdolEyes787]

I'll say again, bandwidth. It's a simple question, deserving of a simple answer. The big problem is that the vast majority of people, who play all too frequently, in this field don't torrent to torrent, they torrent to gain the esteem of peers. What makes these private trackers go around is bandwidth. Bandwidth. BANDWIDTH.

How that bandwidth is spent by the people who play is a revolving cycle of backstabbing and asslicking, yes, usually done simultaneously. Granted, there are a good number of people who work their asses off for the enjoyment of others, yeah, but they are the ones who do it for the sharing, not the recognition, and they are vastly outnumbered by the people who accord too much value to the social interactions they have on a daily basis online, and the weight their nickname carries.

The smaller the group, the more weight each individual voice has, and the more empowered those individual voices feel. That feeling of empowerment can be pretty addictive, and I think that gets demonstrated every day in bt.

So, I guess if I am going to give a wordy answer to your query OleGL, it would be that a good user has the sense to not over-invest themselves, while actually using all these flipping trackers. A bad user is anyone else, because they are not using the tool of the torrenting protocol as it is intended, and that makes them a waste of resources(which, despite all outward appearances, are NOT limitless). If people of like interest gather around that interest, the community is inevitable.

Maybe I'm overly simplifying things here but it seems to be that what your are saying is what makes a "good" member is entirely dependent not on how much they "contribute" ,but on how much they "contribute" benefits others.
Along those lines though I think pure bandwidth is a little short-sighted since who is arguably of greater "benefit " the person with a 100GB seedbox that grabs every torrent only to delete it as soon as it's "benefits" as lost or the person that grabs what is reasonable and seeds it until their hard drive gives out?
Sure trackers "need" speed but a lot more than that they need lasting content and in the dictionary " lasting" oddly enough is synonymous with dedication . I looked up speed and didn't see any similar connection. Lots of cool cars though.

Btw I'm not saying that someone who downloads very little and sits seeding on it ad infinitum is necessarily a "good" member since as I noted earlier it's all ( maybe?) about how what someone does benefits other members( I guess?) .

[cinephilia]

well, if you talk about privilege, it implies that they actually do people a favor by letting them join their tracker.

Actually they are but the notion shouldn't be taken to extremes .
I think the problem with the word privilege is that it drums up images of special entitlement ,which belonging to a bt tracker should never , but obviously often does, constitute.

and yet, i see plenty of tracker continually looking for new blood, begging for donations and imploring their members to keep the site alive.

good user: on fst, someone who does not cheat. on sb-i, someone who does.

I could tell you why such a black and white view is wrong, but no one cares anyway.

i was just kidding

[Intr4ns1t]

...

While you and I will disagree on the bandwidth issue, as that is disposable, anyone can provide it, I will nod my head to everything else you said. Anyone can provide the bandwidth you need, even you, but it takes a "special" someone to dedicate their time and effort. I'm sure you don't call bandwidth whores that do it for the e-fame, or the big numbers under the nickname or the user classes "good members". That's reserved for the people that do stuff for PTN. Stuff out of the ordinary, that as you said, was a dying/over-swamped breed.

I was being a literalistic asshole with my bandwidth comment. I answered the question he asked in the thread title with Occam's razor in mind. The simplest answer to that question is bandwidth, as that IS what makes the difference between a good torrenter and a bad torrenter in an analytical, nonhuman world.

You may not believe this, but I actually greatly dislike the closed tracker mentality at this point. I very much lean in the direction that MBM does as far as the library of the internet comment. I am also NOT solely dedicate to PtN. I seed at a lot of trackers, and I upload files where I'm able. And, no, I do not consider bandwidth whores good for anything other than making seedbox companies richer by the byte. Yes there is a place for seedboxes, but the average user(before anyone goes ZOMG WTF!1!1!1, I grant that there are exceptions) neither needs nor should have a dedicated server just for fucking torrenting. But, they do need to use the sites they are on.

The ideal torrenter seeds to exactly 1:1 in an ideal world. That way, everyone gets a solid ratio, noone needs to cheat, you don't need to buy storage just to seed a file on a site you simply CANNOT get banned from, because everyone minds the global traffic economy. That 1:1 is what the protocol was designed around. The dearth of that understanding is what has been driving this field into the dirt for all the small sites.

And there is a difference between a good member(median) and a great member(exceptional), and there are a multitude of factors that make those differences, but anyone who seeds to a ratio of 20:1 is just being a greedy asshole, barring them being the only seeder for years, which is fast becoming a fabled user.

[chrisbeebops]

I don't think there is a single set of criteria that qualifies someone as a good user.

But I would say anyone who adds content to the tracker or keeps content on the tracker is a good user.

Uploaders are important to any site, but just as important are the people seeding torrents uploaded months and years ago, keeping them alive for anyone who might want to grab them later.

[bijoy]

Just curious, what made you realize/think they were cheating?

Staffing at 1 torrent site for last 1 year or so.. So, the anti-cheating system shows me, and the detailed peerlist helps me too.. like, you have IP & port. Try to connect with that torrent to that peer. If you do not succeed, then he/she is cheating, as simple as that.

no cheting software can beat htis..