WTF is wrong with these people?

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So, you're in favor of "2nd Amendment remedies" for 1st Amendment practitioners.

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I wish that when these folks decided to go on shooting rampages, they at least shot someone worthy of being shot. Like those assholes who protest at soldier funerals.

I wonder if any post in history has been so wrong yet so tempting to agree with.

It's like the forbidden fruit of posts

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I wish that when these folks decided to go on shooting rampages, they at least shot someone worthy of being shot. Like those assholes who protest at soldier funerals.

I wonder if any post in history has been so wrong yet so tempting to agree with.

It's like the forbidden fruit of posts

Well put.
The Westboro Baptist Church and Glenn Beck are the price we pay for Wikileaks.

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Now that the dust has settled on this, and it is quite obvious that the shooter was not a tea party member, didn't listen to talk radio, didn't watch Fox News, and couldn't care less about Palin, I think it is also quite obvious that the "mainstream" media (ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC) is biased against conservatives. They all jumped to the conclusion that this shooter was motivated by talk radio, Fox News, and Palin, when in reality, it had nothing to do with it. And yet still many of them are saying how we must be more civil in our discourse, even in light of the fact that it had nothing to do with it at all. American political discourse has always been adversarial. It is what our system is built upon. We discuss things and argue with each other and eventually the ones who get the most votes win the discussion. What's funny is how the liberals are crying about civility now that they lost control of congress, but when they were attacking President Bush in 2006, they didn't care about being civil-- they were quite vicious with their personal attacks of him. That's politics. It's not nice. It never has been, nor should it ever be.

Another thing it shows me is the huge divide in thinking between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives believe in individual freedoms and rights and responsibilities. Loughner is individually responsible for what happened. It was his fault. He should be punished with the death penalty for what he did. Yes, he was insane, but in my opinion, anyone who kills a human being (unless it is in self-defense) is insane. So, he still needs to be punished for what he did. But no one else is responsible for what he did.

The liberals on the other hand believe in socialism and collective guilt and group responsibility, and because of the action of one crazy person, everyone's freedoms should be reduced. Ridiculous!

As for gun control, if Pima County Sheriff Doofy had done his job, Loughner would have never had the chance to get his hands on a gun like that legally.

Gun control does one thing-- it keeps law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves from criminals. Criminals are still going to get guns, because they don't care about the law and they aren't going to follow it anyways. So, in the end, the criminals will be the only ones with guns if gun control is carried to its extreme end.

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Gun control has already been carried to it's extreme end...we don't have any.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH (okay, I admit that's not a quote, it's a brief summary) That's politics. It's not nice. It never has been, nor should it ever be.
No it's not politics, it's name calling and fib telling, basically a nastier and more immature version of high school clicks

Another thing it shows me is the huge divide in thinking between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives believe in individual freedoms and rights and responsibilities. Loughner is individually responsible for what happened. It was his fault. He should be punished with the death penalty for what he did. Yes, he was insane, but in my opinion, anyone who kills a human being (unless it is in self-defense) is insane. So, he still needs to be punished for what he did. But no one else is responsible for what he did.

Who is calling for prosecution of anyone other than the shooter for this crime?
BTW I'm sure the roughly 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and certainly those trying to build houses of worship and community centers will be relieved to know that conservatives don't hold them accountable in any way for 911

The liberals on the other hand believe in socialism and collective guilt and group responsibility, and because of the action of one crazy person, everyone's freedoms should be reduced. Ridiculous!
They do? are you a liberal? If not how do you know?

As for gun control, if Pima County Sheriff Doofy had done his job, Loughner would have never had the chance to get his hands on a gun like that legally.
So you're for gun control (and childish name calling by the looks of it) and collective blame? It's a nice talking point that's been going around, but can you tell us what part of the sheriff's responsibilities he never carried out in Loughner being able to buy a gun? I realize you read he is to blame somewhere (no doubt from that same site you linked to earlier, you know the one that had damning evidence that Loughner was an Obama volunteer and had the fake facebook page to prove it)

Gun control does one thing-- it keeps law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves from criminals. Criminals are still going to get guns, because they don't care about the law and they aren't going to follow it anyways. So, in the end, the criminals will be the only ones with guns if gun control is carried to its extreme end.

I'm not sure you know what gun control is, other than repeating standard talking points (did you sit on a pirates shoulder in a previous life).

You managed to be both for and against gun control in a single post

Apropos to nothing, When the sheriff, who is now vilified, made those comments he made no mention of the vitriol coming for any particular side. Why do you suppose certain people decided he was talking about them? Note they didn't deny their rhetoric is vitriolic, they simply denied that it could rouse tensions.

It is nice to hear them finally talk about problems being squarely on the individual and not outside influences. Kind of legitimizes their arguments that porn causes rape, exposure to homosexuals turns you gay and getting a cervical cancer vaccine causes sexual promiscuity.

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More civility from the Left:

"Congressman Fails Civility Test by Comparing Republicans to Nazis


Ah, our new, super-civil politics. No longer will cross-hairs be threateningly wielded or presidents' birth certificates be questioned. Rejoice! Our national discourse now rises to the level of fragrant poetry. Except when a Democratic congressman compares Republicans to Nazis.

Because of the shooting in Arizona, all politicians from now on are supposed to conduct themselves with grace and dignity, as if swathed in white robes, roaming the ancient Athenian forum itself. Except here's the beginning of the New York Times' account of Wednesday's fake vote to repeal Obama's health care bill:

the floor fight over the bill to repeal the health care overhaul - predetermined both to pass the House and ultimately fail to become law - by and large demonstrated the ability of Republicans and Democrats to debate a public policy matter civilly.

The exceptions and the more openly provocative statements came mostly from the Democratic side. Late Tuesday night, Representative Steve Cohen, Democrat of Tennessee, denounced Republican talking points on the law as akin to Nazi propaganda.

"They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels," Mr. Cohen said. "You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie and eventually, people believe it.

Rep. Steve Cohen! Did you not get the memo? Ixnay on the oebbels-gay.

To be fair, the heated rhetoric trip is a hard one to kick. We would suggest Cohen ease off it slowly, lest he relapse. Maybe instead of Nazi analogies, try comparing your opponents to less-evil entities, like Sudoku enthusiasts. Or just take it out on your dog; chase it around the yard calling it Stalin."

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Listen to what his friend had to say...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...106.guest.html

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Make up your mind.
One post you're saying that incivility is just business as usual in politics, the next you're castigating a Democrat for it.

If you're going to import all your opinions from talk radio, try to at least keep them consistent, please.

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More civility from the Left:

"Congressman Fails Civility Test by Comparing Republicans to Nazis


Ah, our new, super-civil politics. No longer will cross-hairs be threateningly wielded or presidents' birth certificates be questioned. Rejoice! Our national discourse now rises to the level of fragrant poetry. Except when a Democratic congressman compares Republicans to Nazis.

Because of the shooting in Arizona, all politicians from now on are supposed to conduct themselves with grace and dignity, as if swathed in white robes, roaming the ancient Athenian forum itself. Except here's the beginning of the New York Times' account of Wednesday's fake vote to repeal Obama's health care bill:

the floor fight over the bill to repeal the health care overhaul - predetermined both to pass the House and ultimately fail to become law - by and large demonstrated the ability of Republicans and Democrats to debate a public policy matter civilly.

The exceptions and the more openly provocative statements came mostly from the Democratic side. Late Tuesday night, Representative Steve Cohen, Democrat of Tennessee, denounced Republican talking points on the law as akin to Nazi propaganda.

"They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels," Mr. Cohen said. "You say it enough, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie, you repeat the lie and eventually, people believe it.

Rep. Steve Cohen! Did you not get the memo? Ixnay on the oebbels-gay.

To be fair, the heated rhetoric trip is a hard one to kick. We would suggest Cohen ease off it slowly, lest he relapse. Maybe instead of Nazi analogies, try comparing your opponents to less-evil entities, like Sudoku enthusiasts. Or just take it out on your dog; chase it around the yard calling it Stalin."

Have you noticed in this entire post not once is there any denial to the accusation of lying?


Smoke and mirrors