Ok Serious Question

[NikkiD]

@ Paul... hurry up and get over here will ya? I may not have a spare room, but I can hide you under my bed...

@ Jonno... okay, okay... It's true... you are very well hung... very well indeed... *sigh* Erm... open what wide?

[Rat Faced]

Originally posted by NikkiD@9 November 2003 - 14:55
@ Paul... hurry up and get over here will ya? I may not have a spare room, but I can hide you in my bed...

/me looks up Flight info.....

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Ok so we&#39;re going from porn .....to smut.......to a socialogical<<Look at that for a word debate.....

Bottom line, living in a small town I can magnify the breakdown of sociaty, I used to live right on the seafront, 9 years I was there, it was beautiful, I open my curtains in the morning and all I could see was the sea
I moved from there mainly due to the trouble started forming on the prom infront of my house, kids&#33;...........12/13/14/15 y/o, pissed on a friday night smashing the place up, I had my windows put out, they kept climbing into my garden, I would go out and tell them to "Go Away" (sort of) , one night this happend, as they ran off they were shouting "We&#39;re gonna burn you while you sleep", I phoned the police, he said "It&#39;s just kids, ignor it", great, big help Me and Baz sat in the garden til 3am, sure enough 3 of them came back along the prom each carrying a bottle full of petrol with a rag in the top, the only thing I could do was talk to them......I aproached them, they also had sticks as weapons but I had to do something, after a lengthy conversation I managed to talk them out of it.
This is the way things are in my little town.................what it&#39;s like in the cities I dread to think

Society has broken down, law and order has been lost, before long I sometimes wonder if the world of Mad Max will come true


Now.............Where are ya Nikki, me&#39;s got some licking to do

Jonno B)

[Skweeky]

um ok, here goes

In my opinion it all depends on the situation the picture is used in. A naked picture in let&#39;s say Hustler magazine is meant pornographic, a naked picture in a Maplethorpe photobook isn&#39;t. I&#39;ve seen many beautiful pictures of men in an &#39;aroused state&#39; and I &#39;ve never considered them pornographic. As a matter of fact, a while ago there was an article about this in Elsevier (the Dutch people among us will certainly know that). It was about a picture of a man with an erection and his child standing next to him...
I&#39;ve taken many naked pictures of myself for asseignments and stuff like that, and I know that some people who saw them (and who knows how many ) found them arousing but it was not my intention. What I&#39;m trying to say is; if the creator didn&#39;t mean it pornographic, then it is not for others to judge whether it is or not.

I was raised pretty liberal and it&#39;s always been normal to walk around naked in the house. I have a lot of little nieces and nephews who stay over here every now and then and they&#39;re used to that. Of course I&#39;m not going to take a bath and go stand naked in front of my 13-year old nephew (he IS 13 of course ), but I don&#39;t see what&#39;s wrong with little kids to see what an adult body looks like.

As for the naked pics of kids: I have plenty of pics of me naked on the beach when I was 3-4. That&#39;s the way kids ARE on the beach when they&#39;re 3 or 4, so what&#39;s wrong with taking a picture of it? You can&#39;t deny reality just because you don&#39;t choose to portray it...

Here in Belgium it&#39;s been awful ever since that Dutroux-scandal &#39;(guy kidnapped several kids, raped them and murdered them). People are getting arrested for changing clothes in front of their own kids (wtf??? ). I think society has forgotten where the line between normal family behaviour and paedophilia is...

[Yogi]

Originally posted by Skweeky@9 November 2003 - 17:01
um ok, here goes

In my opinion it all depends on the situation the picture is used in. A naked picture in let&#39;s say Hustler magazine is meant pornographic, a naked picture in a Maplethorpe photobook isn&#39;t. I&#39;ve seen many beautiful pictures of men in an &#39;aroused state&#39; and I &#39;ve never considered them pornographic. As a matter of fact, a while ago there was an article about this in Elsevier (the Dutch people among us will certainly know that). It was about a picture of a man with an erection and his child standing next to him...
I&#39;ve taken many naked pictures of myself for asseignments and stuff like that, and I know that some people who saw them (and who knows how many ) found them arousing but it was not my intention. What I&#39;m trying to say is; if the creator didn&#39;t mean it pornographic, then it is not for others to judge whether it is or not.

I was raised pretty liberal and it&#39;s always been normal to walk around naked in the house. I have a lot of little nieces and nephews who stay over here every now and then and they&#39;re used to that. Of course I&#39;m not going to take a bath and go stand naked in front of my 13-year old nephew (he IS 13 of course ), but I don&#39;t see what&#39;s wrong with little kids to see what an adult body looks like.

As for the naked pics of kids: I have plenty of pics of me naked on the beach when I was 3-4. That&#39;s the way kids ARE on the beach when they&#39;re 3 or 4, so what&#39;s wrong with taking a picture of it? You can&#39;t deny reality just because you don&#39;t choose to portray it...

Here in Belgium it&#39;s been awful ever since that Dutroux-scandal &#39;(guy kidnapped several kids, raped them and murdered them). People are getting arrested for changing clothes in front of their own kids (wtf??? ). I think society has forgotten where the line between normal family behaviour and paedophilia is...

Thanks.
Nothing to add.

Yogi

[JONNO_CELEBS]

Originally posted by Skweeky@9 November 2003 - 15:01
I think society has forgotten where the line between normal family behaviour and paedophilia is...

Exactly&#33;........The problem being is because of such monsters that do bad things to kids the law has done the only thing it thinks can be done, same with Corperal Punishment, you are not allowed to hit your child, I was clouted when I deserved it and I did&#39;nt do the wrong again, I&#39;m still here and ok, the trouble is the people that do BEAT their children will do so regardless of the law, same with Pedophiles, it does&#39;nt matter whether it&#39;s legal or not, they will still do it.

The world has gone mad and are children will face the consiquences of our mistakes&#33;

Jonno B)

[UKMan]

Originally posted by SensualGardening@9 November 2003 - 15:40

Yes - i agree with you here wholeheartedly. The whole world is being turned upside down by the small minority who spoil it for the large majority. Its allways been the case and it allways will be.

Sorry, UKman. I tend to disagree here.
IMHO it&#39;s the society as a whole who fails here.
If you count up all the "minority&#39;s" fucking up, you&#39;d be shocked......
Civilized behaviour is a luxury for a minority who can afford it......
A lot of things we tend to disapprove of were common behaviour ages ago.
And in some "underdeveloped" society&#39;s(more than you&#39;d like to know) still are....
As long as people are not able to share their wealth with all people on the world, it indeed will be forever..........

Yogi

okilidokili - but i was in fact just replying to a particular comment, not in general. If we gonna start talking generally, then here goes:

*Yes, i agree that society has failed. Society is after all the human race, different races -> different societies - very very few actually work, just a couple in the rain forests maybe, but they are getting sucked dry by the rest of us.

*Yepp, i&#39;m aware of the amount of doo dahs made by minorities - i did actually refer to that in my statement. Its a very poignent statement and needs to be examined to be understood. People react to the missgivings of the few by becoming reactionary thinking it will solve the problem. It just creates more and makes the law more of an ass than it is. I could go on here, but i agree with you anyway.

*Civilised behavour being a luxury for the few - well, i&#39;m not sure i agree with that all the way. Its a cop-out made by those who dont want to be civilised in some cases, but if your gonna compare undeveloped countries, then i&#39;m not gonna get into that one. Its a different situation entirely. If you mean the poorer people in the States or in the civilised parts of Europe, i agree up to a point. BUT WHAT do you mean by civilised? A family, being happy, obeying the common rules of decency, working hard for a living, NOT luxury - just living and being happy with what you&#39;ve got. Treat you neighbours and friends in the same way blah blah - thats civilised behavour in my opinion.

*Sharing wealth is what we are all about here - well at least a part of it. The problem is too complex and has been going on for thousands of years and we would be naive to think we are gonna make a change. The only thing thats gonna happen is that the big corporates are gonna take over and Big Brother WILL happen. Its just a question of time. Theres too much money involved, too much corruption allready for it to stop. Im not being defeatist - just being realistic. I personally dont worry, because my time on earth is for a purpose that has nothing to do with now. Thats my belief anyway. BUT - i do believe that if all individuals do what they can then they will achieve a personal goal - but it wont change anything in the long run.

These are my own opinions and beliefs and are personal. Im happy and i do what i can - thats all we can do. All that happens to martys is they die and land up in the history books to be taught to most people who dont care anyway. We are doomed as a race to be greedy and take what we can - be damned the rest. sad but true.

Peace
UKMan

[UKMan]

Originally posted by Skweeky@9 November 2003 - 16:01
um ok, here goes

In my opinion it all depends on the situation the picture is used in. A naked picture in let&#39;s say Hustler magazine is meant pornographic, a naked picture in a Maplethorpe photobook isn&#39;t. I&#39;ve seen many beautiful pictures of men in an &#39;aroused state&#39; and I &#39;ve never considered them pornographic. As a matter of fact, a while ago there was an article about this in Elsevier (the Dutch people among us will certainly know that). It was about a picture of a man with an erection and his child standing next to him...
I&#39;ve taken many naked pictures of myself for asseignments and stuff like that, and I know that some people who saw them (and who knows how many ) found them arousing but it was not my intention. What I&#39;m trying to say is; if the creator didn&#39;t mean it pornographic, then it is not for others to judge whether it is or not.

I was raised pretty liberal and it&#39;s always been normal to walk around naked in the house. I have a lot of little nieces and nephews who stay over here every now and then and they&#39;re used to that. Of course I&#39;m not going to take a bath and go stand naked in front of my 13-year old nephew (he IS 13 of course ), but I don&#39;t see what&#39;s wrong with little kids to see what an adult body looks like.

As for the naked pics of kids: I have plenty of pics of me naked on the beach when I was 3-4. That&#39;s the way kids ARE on the beach when they&#39;re 3 or 4, so what&#39;s wrong with taking a picture of it? You can&#39;t deny reality just because you don&#39;t choose to portray it...

Here in Belgium it&#39;s been awful ever since that Dutroux-scandal &#39;(guy kidnapped several kids, raped them and murdered them). People are getting arrested for changing clothes in front of their own kids (wtf??? ). I think society has forgotten where the line between normal family behaviour and paedophilia is...

I have nothing to add or comment on you there Skweeky - i agree with you and just have to admit its all a damn shame.


I think we all agree here - we just have different ways of putting it over - thats all.

Peace
UKMan

[Yogi]

Thanks for that, UKman.
Nothing to add there aswell.
Our main standards are quite close, but i think we allready knew that, huh?

It&#39;s just when i see someone blaming a small group for some issue, i tend to refine.
That&#39;s all.

I really appreciate your comments and your willingness to see the big picture.

Love&peace

Yogi

[Yogi]

Think just trying hard to be a good example for others is all we can do&#33;&#33;&#33;

Wich also means showing what a beatifull world there is outthere aswell&#33;&#33;&#33;

Yogi