Public Employee Unions Must Be Crushed !

[Busyman]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/protestors-...ry?id=12947666

These people are ridiculous! They have job security, decent wages, excellent health and retirement benefits, and when they are asked to contribute a tiny amount of their wages to help pay for their benefits, so the state can balance its budget, they take to the streets and riot.

Their unions need to be crushed!

And the Democrats in their state government are such chickens, they can't stand to face a vote that they know they will lose because they are now outnumbered by Republicans, that they flee to another state to prevent the vote from going forward. Imagine the outrage if Republicans pulled a stunt like that?

This isn't just Repubs. Martin O' Malley is doing similar.

[999969999]

I wonder...
After demonizing their work ethic, "crushing" their union and drastically cutting pay...who is going to want to be a civil servant in the future?

Hopefully far fewer than do currently.


Exactly! The size of government at all levels needs to be reduced.

I will remind you I was civil service for years, union as well as non-rep.

It was a pretty sweet deal.

And it is not sustainable.

I concluded that no one should ever feel that comfy; it's just not healthy.

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[999969999]

I concluded that no one should ever feel that comfy; it's just not healthy.

How about the heirs of successful business owners?

This socialist mindset is becoming so obvious among the liberals.

Where do you think the money to fund government spending ultimately comes from?

Yes, let's punish business owners and give them less incentive to make money and build up their businesses. This mindset didn't work well for the Soviets and it won't work well here, either.

[999969999]

Yes, I want to outsource and privatize as many government jobs as possible. Hopefully it will help destroy what is left of the unions in this country. And as Rural Metro has shown, a private company can provide excellent fire protection and ambulance service at a reasonable cost. Consumers then have the right and freedom to choose whether or not they want to pay for that service and protection or just roll the dice and take their chances that they won't need to ever use it, and then deal with the consequences themselves.

The point that you missed here is that it can really only work in a sparsely populated rural environment.




http://www.ruralmetro.com/about_communitiesserved.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsdale,_Arizona

http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4G...ed=0CCoQ8gEwAA



Scottsdale, Arizona is sparsely populated? Have you ever been to metro Phoenix? You don't know what you're talking about.

This wouldn't succeed in urban areas, especially in situations where many residential units are in very close proximity of each other.

Such as in Scottsdale, or many of the other cities listed on that Rural/Metro website?


Whether it be a separate cost or built into the rent, the "private" costs would be extremely high. There would also be no margin of "opting" out as you propose.

Wrong again. It is voluntary. Which is something that the left hates.


If you are at the point where you'd have the government managing pretty much nothing... it would seem that you are with me in idealizing a complete anarchist society. You can't just leave your foot halfway through the door.

You can tell a lot about a company by looking at its roots.


Rural/Metro's history goes back more than 50 years, when founder Lou Witzeman became concerned that his neighborhood didn't have fire protection. So he pooled together some money, bought a fire truck, and asked his neighbors to subscribe to his fledgling company.

Oh how evil! An entrepreneur! The enemy of the socialist left wingers! This must be stopped! Only government can solve all of our problems!
With the company was also born a new way of thinking about health and safety services. As a private sector company, Rural/Metro is dedicated to finding the most cost-effective ways to deliver the highest quality ambulance transportation and private fire protection services.

In 1969, Rural/Metro began operating ambulance services independently of its fire operations. Today, Rural/Metro has become one of the largest ambulance companies in North America, providing "911" emergency and non-emergency medical transportation services, as well as a variety of private fire protection services.

Today the company offers a wide range of medical transportation and safety services, not only to communities, but also to the private sector. Among the services we provide are:

Emergency medical transportation
Non-emergency medical transportation
Private fire protection services, including community, airport, and industrial
What began with one man's vision has grown today into a company with more than $500 million in annual revenues and 8,000 employees who provide health and safety services throughout the United States. Annually, Rural/Metro's employees respond to more than 1.1 million calls for assistance.

[rdtphd]

me thinks it be a troll trollin and you all got trolled

[999969999]

me thinks it be a troll trollin and you all got trolled

Yeah, let's not have any different opinions expressed.

Just the liberal opinions.

We don't want to hear from anyone who might be a conservative.

Only liberals get to express their opinions.

For all other opinions, just shut them down.

[mjmacky]

There are so many flaws in every statement that you make, that when addressed, you make more points that have many more inherent flaws. Essentially you provide an endless cycle of idiocy that can only be construed as trolling.

[999969999]

I will continue to present the conservative point of view whether you like it or not.

There are hardly any conservative voices on here anymore.

I was born too late for the Reagan Presidency, but from what I have read about him, and have been told about him, our current president wouldn't make a pimple on his ass...

Reagan: "In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden."

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

"Back in 1927, an American socialist, Norman Thomas, six times candidate for President on the Socialist Party ticket, said that the American people would never vote for socialism but he said under the name of liberalism the American people would adopt every fragment of the socialist program."

"One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It's very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. . . . Now, the American people, if you put it to them about socialized medicine and gave them a chance to choose, would unhesitatingly vote against it. We have an example of this. Under the Truman administration it was proposed that we have a compulsory health insurance program for all people in the United States, and, of course, the American people unhesitatingly rejected this."

[999969999]

There are so many flaws in every statement that you make, that when addressed, you make more points that have many more inherent flaws. Essentially you provide an endless cycle of idiocy that can only be construed as trolling.

I noticed you were unable to refute this...

"The point that you missed here is that it can really only work in a sparsely populated rural environment.




http://www.ruralmetro.com/about_communitiesserved.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottsdale,_Arizona


AERIAL VIEW OF THIS SO-CALLED "SPARSELY POPULATED RURAL AREA" (try zooming in for a closer look):

http://maps.google.com/maps?rlz=1T4G...ed=0CCoQ8gEwAA



Scottsdale, Arizona is sparsely populated? Have you ever been to metro Phoenix? You don't know what you're talking about.



This wouldn't succeed in urban areas, especially in situations where many residential units are in very close proximity of each other.



Such as in Scottsdale, or many of the other cities listed on that Rural/Metro website?"





So you just attacked me personally, rather than deal with the flaws in your own argument.

Typical of the left wing.

Shut down dissent by personal attacks rather than trying to win the argument.



My point is this... YES GOVERNMENT JOBS CAN AND SHOULD BE PRIVATIZED AND OUTSOURCED.

[clocker]

Shut down dissent by personal attacks rather than trying to win the argument.

It's a bit difficult to tell what your "argument" is.

As I see it, you posit that privately owned, user subscribed (formerly) "public" services are superior to those supplied by the government.
Kind of hard to grasp the dichotomy here, so help me out...
After 9/11, the Right lionized as HEROES the first (and later) responders- the majority of whom were the very same unionized, blood sucking vampires that you currently demonize.
I guess they were only heroes as long as they were politically expedient (see: Rudy Guiliani) and didn't need health care (which Republicans fought tooth and nail).
You have also previously been a consistent advocate for removing regulation from business.

So, once you remove government from the equation we have FireFighters, Inc.- a private, for profit entity with no competition- as the sole source of protection.

And their incentive to provide comprehensive service at low cost is what, exactly?

BTW, 9...
Your new persona as the poor, abused , lone voice of conservatism is adorable.
It's a shame that the right wing agenda is so poorly covered in the media and your bravery, standing as the lone beacon of sanity in this rabidly liberal world , is edifying.

Well actually, it would be if you weren't wrong about pretty much everything.