What has US debt got to do with operating costs?Originally Posted by 999969999
What has US debt got to do with operating costs?
When I was a kid I was told "We do these things not because they're easy, but because they're hard"
Now all I hear is " I won't do anything unless there's something in it for me"
RASPBERRY RIPPLE
BT Rep: +19
I'm trying to imagine what our infrastructure, and social services would look like if we refused to have this debt. Are you suggesting that roads, and public services should be abandoned if there is no funding for them?
Shovel Ready
Apparently 9 missed my previous link, so I'll highlight it again-RIGHT GODDAMN HERE!.
There's no need to "worry" about comparisons between public and private sector efficiency because results from his own home state prove that "savings"
through private outsourcing are as illusory as the rest of conservative dogma.
The conflation of "good business" and "good government" is the new conservative Holy Grail.
Convincing America that corporations will somehow elevate their concern for public welfare above the cutthroat pursuit of profit is the full time job of the Koch brothers/Fox news and leads to such travesties as the Trump "campaign" (still awaiting those "amazing" results from your private investigators in Hawaii, Donald!).
Spend a few hours with Comcast customer support and tell me you think they could do a better job running the DMV.
Last edited by clocker; 05-22-2011 at 02:08 PM.
"I am the one who knocks."- Heisenberg
Poster
Yay! My side won!...
"Wisconsin’s controversial new law limiting the collective bargaining rights of public employees had been blocked for months in the wake of a lawsuit that claims Republican legislators passed the bill without giving adequate public notice.
But the law has been revived from its deathbed, after the Wisconsin Supreme Court yesterday ruled that a lower-court judge who had enjoined the law improperly interfered with the legislature, WSJ reports.
The union law will now take effect; it not only limits employees’ right to bargain over their wages, but it also requires public employees to contribute 5.8% of their salaries to their pensions and pay at least 12.6% of their health-care premiums, according to WSJ.
Republican Gov. Scott Walker said the union measure was needed to help tackle the state’s budget deficit and give local governments needed flexibility.
The Wisconsin Supreme Court upheld the law in a 4-3 ruling, with the court’s conservative justices in the majority. The narrow ruling was not surprising out of a court that long has been beset by a sharp divide between its conservative and liberal blocs.
Tuesday’s opinion said Wisconsin circuit-court judge Maryann Sumi exceeded her authority when she issued a permanent injunction in May barring the law from taking effect. The justices wrote, “One of the courts that we are charged with supervising has usurped the legislative power which the Wisconsin Constitution grants exclusively to the legislature.”
The opinion included a fierce dissent, AP reports. Supreme Court Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson, who is considered the leader of the court’s liberal wing, wrote that the majority “set forth their own version of facts without evidence. They should not engage in this disinformation.”
Abrahamson also said that a concurring opinion by newly reelected Justice David Prosser was “long on rhetoric and long on story-telling that appears to have a partisan slant.”
Take that Clocky and Lucifer!
Who can take your money and give it to someone else? The Government Can! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO2eh...layer_embedded
Shovel Ready
I am so happy for you.
Your joy however is probably destined to be short lived, as legal challenges couldn't be filed till the law actually took effect.
I expect the law will be overturned just about the same time as the recall elections get going...
"I am the one who knocks."- Heisenberg
an alchemist?
In reality, everyone except a virtually 0 % minority win in this. As far as that short winner's list, you're not on it.
I'm more cynical than clocker, and if this doesn't get repealed and the governor isn't recalled, I would only consider it a failure of mass intelligence and Wisconsin deserves the regression and demotion of the quality of life they didn't fight for.
en(un)lightened
Ah, but they did fight....In reality, everyone except a virtually 0 % minority win in this. As far as that short winner's list, you're not on it.
I'm more cynical than clocker, and if this doesn't get repealed and the governor isn't recalled, I would only consider it a failure of mass intelligence and Wisconsin deserves the regression and demotion of the quality of life they didn't fight for.
...and they lost.
Moving on, then.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
an alchemist?
They protested, but that mostly achieves nothing. As the voters really only have power once every year or 2 or 4 or 6. They get to decide what's important at that time.Ah, but they did fight....
...and they lost.
Moving on, then.
en(un)lightened
Oh, you're right, of course, except that the current lull in activity was intended to be final, back when laws had meaning.They protested, but that mostly achieves nothing. As the voters really only have power once every year or 2 or 4 or 6. They get to decide what's important at that time.
The lawyers never want any legal action to end, really.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
an alchemist?
That's an entirely separate system
I want to recall what I said moments ago, as I think I might be overplaying voter significance at elections. Campaign managers decide who wins at each election.
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