Public Employee Unions Must Be Crushed !

[clocker]

As usual, your definition of "patriotic" excludes anyone who disagrees with you.

As to "loving Capitalism", history shows that the economy has done much better under Democratic rule than so-called "conservatives" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-z...b_1594319.html), so perhaps you'll want to rethink your affiliation.

BTW, I don't think you actually shock anyone...kids have always been stupid and self-involved.

[999969999]

As usual, your definition of "patriotic" excludes anyone who disagrees with you.

As to "loving Capitalism", history shows that the economy has done much better under Democratic rule than so-called "conservatives" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-z...b_1594319.html), so perhaps you'll want to rethink your affiliation.

BTW, I don't think you actually shock anyone...kids have always been stupid and self-involved.

Hey Clocky! I'm glad you're back!

I disagree with you, but you are a very funny, witty poster on here.

I enjoy reading your posts!

[999969999]

By the way, do these Comrade Macky quotes sound patriotic to you?

Hold the front page.
Liberal media tacitly condones liberal statements yet openly condemns conservative viewpoints.


I literally only read that post because I noticed something about Mary but I read a little more and I can't make up my mind whether this is a well thought out political parody or if you're actually the precocious 12 year old son of Geert Wilders.

Who knows what you're talking about?!?

Here's what I'm talking about:

Why anybody would vote for X over Y is beyond me.

Because money controls politics. It's really easy. It won't get fixed until all of you decide to burn the whole fucking system down and rebuild it.

You wouldn't have ANY money in your pocket (US currency being a Federal thing, ya know) and how exactly did the Federal government impinge upon your "freedom" today?

I can't speak for zot, but it would be chaos, and I would feast upon the flesh of the children of people who deny me their possessions!

OK, but serious now. I hate this society and wouldn't mind seeing it suffer to rebuild something devoid of commercial/financial influence, since it'd be like, a noble cause. I'm not personally as upset with the government as I am over the manipulation and control over the government by groups with plenty a dollar to spend. I only last year was able to get affordable health coverage (< $200/mo.) that didn't put a lifetime indemnity rider on anything that has to do with my heart or cardiovascular system (if they didn't outright reject me).

I am now getting notices about letting my cat roam around outside in our condo, the first time in 6 years, because we pissed off someone who knows members of the board by no longer being friendly with him. Since pets outdoors, not on leashes, is a violation of the rules, they can assess fines; if those go unpaid, they can lead to a legal eviction and forced foreclosure on the unit (by way of lien). This is something that really irks me, if I were tone down my reserved opinion. In reality, these board members have a different modus operandi, they have lawyer friends eager to secure their own payout. I've got about a half dozen other stories but will stop there. I have made several plans in the past to murder two of the board members, but have postponed entertaining the thought any further until I've secured my plans to leave the country.

I think I'm getting at a point here, it's shit like this that makes this country fucked.

So, the Federal gubmint is sending you notices about your cat?
If you're going to bitch about Federal intrusion, do you still get to complain about State or local interference?

I was pretty certain I got to a point about lobbying and this style of governing giving license to fuck a fool or twenty at the end.
P.S. I'm not the state > federal guy
I'm the fuck the capitalist government guy.

The cancer is hiding in plain sight.

[clocker]

Sorry, "patriotic" is not a filter I employ.

As it happens, I completely agree that money has ruined political discourse and practice in this country and we'd be much better off revising the entire system.
I can think of no earthly reason for campaigns to last as long and cost as much as they do.

[mjmacky]

I hope this doesn't burst your bubble or anything, but you have quite inaccurately described cancer. Type the following to have me elaborate, "up up down down left right left right B A select start"

The immune response...

Cancer is hazardous because the cell continues to undergo mitotic division without responding to negative feedback or programmed cell death. It continues growing, stealing blood supply and nutrients from neighboring cells just to feed its growing mass of cells. The immune system usually won't attack it since they're still mostly normal cells with a mutated flaw in the genetic code (most mutations are either fixed or cause cell death). It will continue to do so until it is either removed, reduced or it kills its host. So in essence, cancer is like unabated capitalism.

[manker]

Well.
I don't know who, exactly, knows what I'm talking about but I was rather hoping you would once you'd read my post. Hence my directing it to you.
The part of what you were talking about which I also wanted to talk about was the part I quoted.

Now that forum dynamics 101 is over. Would you bear it in mind when commenting upon my musings.
I honestly don't mind if you ignore them, however, I just posted on a whim trying to get to the bottom of whether you're an actual conservative or a particularly clever liberal.

And of course, you ignored most of my post, but that's okay when you do it.

I am a young conservative, born and raised in rural Arizona-- Eagar, Arizona. Perhaps one of the most conservative areas in the U.S.

I know-- how shocking! How dare any young person love America, love Capitalism (which made the United States a great place to live, so much so, that people are dying in the deserts just to cross the border to get here). How dare anyone be patriotic. How dare anyone not want to destroy his own country.

It was the only facet of what you posted that interested me

How old were you when you decided to be a 'young conservative' or is it something that you've always been because of what your parents told you was right and proper.
Nothing wrong with patriotism, btw, so long as it doesn't narrow the plane of vision surveyed by one's mind's eye.

[clocker]

Oh, those poor underpaid, and overworked public employees!!!!

$98,322 per year!

I feel so sorry for them!!!!

Um, I have a question...
Who negotiated/agreed to the union contracts...this was not a unilateral move by the unions, was it?
Did the City of Phoenix not participate?

Seems to me you have a conundrum here given your fondness for local/state control over matters...Phoenix negotiates a crap deal and is now stuck with the consequences.
Is that not how business should be done?
You are the one who claims that government should be run like a business, well, here's what happens when it is...someone gets screwed.
If your family business negotiates a contract that later turns out to be disadvantageous to them, do they get to "crush" the other party to escape the consequences?

[mjmacky]

Oh, those poor underpaid, and overworked public employees!!!!

$98,322 per year!

I feel so sorry for them!!!!

Um, I have a question...
Who negotiated/agreed to the union contracts...this was not a unilateral move by the unions, was it?
Did the City of Phoenix not participate?

Seems to me you have a conundrum here given your fondness for local/state control over matters...Phoenix negotiates a crap deal and is now stuck with the consequences.
Is that not how business should be done?
You are the one who claims that government should be run like a business, well, here's what happens when it is...someone gets screwed.
If your family business negotiates a contract that later turns out to be disadvantageous to them, do they get to "crush" the other party to escape the consequences?

It's a fair point as it relates to the fantasy dystopia of 9's future. The reality is that the government should only be acting as representation of the people, and if the people are not satisfied with the result, they should be able to put new officials in office to take that down a notch. I'm sure with some intelligent people presenting perspective in the background (cost of living, comparable pay elsewhere, etc.), they could find a figure that is fair to both sides (the taxpayers and the workers).

[j2k4]

Oh, those poor underpaid, and overworked public employees!!!!

$98,322 per year!

I feel so sorry for them!!!!

Um, I have a question...
Who negotiated/agreed to the union contracts...this was not a unilateral move by the unions, was it?
Did the City of Phoenix not participate?

Seems to me you have a conundrum here given your fondness for local/state control over matters...Phoenix negotiates a crap deal and is now stuck with the consequences.
Is that not how business should be done?
You are the one who claims that government should be run like a business, well, here's what happens when it is...someone gets screwed.
If your family business negotiates a contract that later turns out to be disadvantageous to them, do they get to "crush" the other party to escape the consequences?

I have a very quick question:

Given that bad (for the taxpayer) contracts, negotiated badly, by bad, stupid, people, people elected by idiots, must be executed in order to avoid unfairness to the beneficiaries of the contracts, and given as well that many of these contracts were basically negotiated to eternally grow in value to the unions and cost to the public, and to do so in perpetuity, how is electing new officials seen as a solution?

We see large corporations, municipalities and even states entertaining bankruptcy, yet the watchword is fairness to the unions?

Okay...how far do we take that?

The taxpayers of whatever municipality, for example, are contractually bound to hold up their end...unto bankruptcy.

Yet, in lieu of bankruptcy, the unions are able to access, through government, the pockets of every taxpayer, not just ones who cast the stupid "vote".

So-

Unless someone can tell me precisely how I am to blame for, say, GM's situation, I'd like a rationale for this "fairness", and also one explaining why, just because I don't have a "contract" with someone/thing, I am not entitled to that selfsame "fairness"?

[mjmacky]

I have a very quick question:

Given that bad (for the taxpayer) contracts, negotiated badly, by bad, stupid, people, people elected by idiots, must be executed in order to avoid unfairness to the beneficiaries of the contracts, and given as well that many of these contracts were basically negotiated to eternally grow in value to the unions and cost to the public, and to do so in perpetuity, how is electing new officials seen as a solution?

We see large corporations, municipalities and even states entertaining bankruptcy, yet the watchword is fairness to the unions?

Okay...how far do we take that?

The taxpayers of whatever municipality, for example, are contractually bound to hold up their end...unto bankruptcy.

Yet, in lieu of bankruptcy, the unions are able to access, through government, the pockets of every taxpayer, not just ones who cast the stupid "vote".

So-

Unless someone can tell me precisely how I am to blame for, say, GM's situation, I'd like a rationale for this "fairness", and also one explaining why, just because I don't have a "contract" with someone/thing, I am not entitled to that selfsame "fairness"?

I believe you meant to quote me. I also believe you could use more sentence breaks, it's OK if the question is longer .

I speak on behalf of the rational man, presenting rational solutions. However, I still get to hide behind the cynical view of it all being fucked.

Because let's face it, it's pretty fucked.