K-lite Defeated By Emule

[thisiswhoweare]

servers limit files numbers not to reduce fakes but because they add strains onto the servers.

I think we're both lost somewhere. You asked why people dont complain about the emule system but they do about kazaa's, well i said that the answer you gave about credit being stored on others computers is why. It stops people faking credit.

"Whats the point of having credit systems where everyone has equal credit. Might as well get rid of it if thats the case." -- I was referring to kazaa and removing the PL since most people use klite to get high PL. I like the credit system, as it provides an incentive to share files people want. But since credit on emule isnt as important as how long youve waited in the queue or the prority the user has given the file then they are served on an almost first come first served basis.

Like i said before about the slowness, its because of the networks work. Emule works by letting you download a chunk (sometimes more, sometimes less), then returns you back to the queue. During waiting to redownload the other parts, other users get to download them parts off you. Likewise for them. This repeats until the user gets the full parts.
Kazaa's network lets you download from start to finish. During which other users cant download from them as they arent allowed to download partials. Only during the files completion can they share. But whats to stop the user from unsharing?...nothing. Which means one less source to download from, and you'll end up with dead files.

[Johnny_B]

"Whats the point of having credit systems where everyone has equal credit. Might as well get rid of it if thats the case." -- I was referring to kazaa and removing the PL since most people use klite to get high PL. I like the credit system, as it provides an incentive to share files people want. But since credit on emule isnt as important as how long youve waited in the queue or the prority the user has given the file then they are served on an almost first come first served basis.

The credit system in eMule doesn't incentive anyone to share files, it forces them. This makes no sense to someone who is just getting started in the p2p world and has nothing useful to share.
The "first come, first served" system in eMule isn't a reality because the credit system is there. If the credits exist, there is no way "first come, first serve" is a possibility since there is always someone with more credits and thus more privileges over a newbie, for example.

Like i said before about the slowness, its because of the networks work. Emule works by letting you download a chunk (sometimes more, sometimes less), then returns you back to the queue. During waiting to redownload the other parts, other users get to download them parts off you. Likewise for them. This repeats until the user gets the full parts.

By allowing partilal filesharing, eMule should be much faster since the files can be downloaded and uploaded on-the-fly, just like BitTorrent's "tit-for-tat".
Why doesn't this happen? Why is the network still so slow, even with partial filesharing?
The credit system is to be blamed.

[thisiswhoweare]

emule does not in anyway force users to share. Users can share or not share files and still use it unlike examples such as DC where you need to share GBs of stuff to download. Trust me, little or a lot of credits doesnt matter. My brother used emule a while back with no credits/files being shared. When downloading sims he was hitting full speeds only after a few hours waiting. That doesnt seem to be a problem there.

Blame the credit system if you will, i dont believe it is.

Feel free to ask on the official boards as im interested in knowing whether your statements are indeed true.

Not sure why it isnt faster because of partial sharing, another reason to post this issue on the officials.

[tralalala]

man... im really getting lost here... im reading, but its as if i didnt get passed the first 3 words!!!

can you write a step-by-step "guide" to how the eMule system works?? (as in 1)bla bla bla 2)bla bla bla... and so on)


tralalala

[isepiq]

I don't get it. I could not live without my Klite++ AND eMule both!!! When I need a song, music, background, picture, cover, first thing I boot up is Klite++. When I want a movie, software, game, I boot up eMule. The ONLY reason eMule works better for me on 'some things' is cause of sites like sharereactor that have amazingly high quality 'links' to 100% verified and working 'stuff'.
I have tried getting mp3's on eMule and was not happy cause it just was not Klite++. Been spoiled, hahhaha.
By the by, I have tried turning 'credits' off in eMule, which you CAN do, and my downloads slowed to a crawl every time. I get the fastest speeds with them on. I average from 200 to 600 K total, with about 20 or 30 files going or in line. I just get up each morning and see whats done and burn it and play with it or watch it etc. I recall the days of 300 bits, ugh. Now we get Bytes in the thousands per second, whew! Fun.

IMHO
isepiq B)

[tralalala]

know what? do you know of a verifieds database for k-lite? please? that way i will not ever need to use that DAMN Mule in my LIFE!!!! :rtfm: :gunsmile:

lol i love those new emotions (still, they currently express my feelings about that GODDAMN eMule!!!!!&#33


tralalala

[thisiswhoweare]

tis the season to be jolly, tralalalala la la la la. .......er....sorry...
http://www.emule-project.net/board/i...howtopic=24704
Not exactly step by step but easier than my jabbering.

Ive never seen a mule which allows credits to be turned off. Personally i cant see why such a feature is ever put in anyway. I remember getting lowIDs, and speeds as high as 1KB on emule....ahhh, the days of bad configuration. Im glad i stuck with it.

[thisiswhoweare]

Originally posted by tralalala@7 December 2003 - 10:59
know what? do you know of a verifieds database for k-lite? please? that way i will not ever need to use that DAMN Mule in my LIFE!!!! :rtfm: :gunsmile:

lol i love those new emotions (still, they currently express my feelings about that GODDAMN eMule!!!!!&#33


tralalala

dont go blaming me mule friend for your virus man. i bet you forced it to download it.....tsk tsk only got yourself to blame.

[Will_518]

I just tried downloading over-night yesterday. left both eMule and KLite on, guess which got more byte?

Yes, eMule got nearly 670MB, while k-lite hardly reached 400MB. over the 12 hours. And in the same time i uploaded 627MB on eMule and 0MB on K-lite; so, the reason is pretty obvious.

So, yes, i'd say eMule's won that one. But you need servers for eMule?! And K-lite have 26 million users, so, which is better, i'm still undecided.

[james_bond_rulez]

26 million users? where did you get that figure from?

it's 4 million at best..