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Thread: my anaylsis on usenet vs torrenting

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    Usenet vs torrenting

    usenet =
    - cost per month (con)
    - difficult to distinguish what’s a “safe” and what isn’t (con)
    explanation: since there is no feedback system or comments like there is in the torrent community
    - save lots of time (pro)
    explanation: when you want a file, you can just download it. simple.

    torrenting =
    - lot of time wasted by 1.logging into some different sites to keep account from getting pruned 2. maintaining ratio 3. keeping abreast of sites issues, freeleeches, etc. 4. seeding (con)
    explanation: I think this is a huge negative aspect of torrenting and an often overlooked one in my opinion. If sites make money everytime a user visits there site then torrent sites and associated sites (i.e. invite forums, etc.) are rolling in the dough. Torrenting can be such a time consuming process and time IS money.
    - better “verifiable” quantity of quality content (pro)
    explanation: this is because torrenting is a community project therefore users leave feedback on content quality


    Final analysis: which one is “better” ?

    Answer:

    Depends on what you’re looking for.

    If you’re looking for a huge amount of general movies and music in the English language then make a list of what you’re looking for and download it all via usenet on a one month subscription. This way after you have all the material you’re looking for you don’t need any further monthly subscription costs.

    If you’re looking for random smaller amounts of content in the English language just use torrent sites on “no-hassle” torrent sites i.e. Demonoid, TPB, etc. . here you can simply download a torrent and be done with it.

    If you’re looking for a large amount of foreign content, then torrenting (niche sites) is most likely going to be your only option.

    DDL forums are also another option but again one has to be very careful because there is no community check system in place where someone leaves a comment about the files that gives you an idea if the file is indeed what it says it is.

    Thoughts:
    The community aspect of torrenting is a two-edged sword. It is good because seeing comments on downloaded files is a great indicator on how safe a file is to download or not. BUT the down side is that the torrent community makes some of their sites extremely difficut/time consuming to gain access to. Bithumen, Norbits, etc. sites come to mind.

    I don’t download English movies from torrents ever. I don’t see a need to. Sites like quicksilverscreen has just about every single English movie available on their site to stream and view for free thus saving hard drive space on my computer.

    I personally am thinking of just buying everything I utilize from now on. Since I solely use torrenting/usenet for downloading foreign music, I think it may be cheaper for me to just purchase it online than jump through the hoops of the torrent world.

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    Sites that take effort to get into aren't worth the effort (there are exceptions, of course, but this is true in 99% of cases). The fewer members a site has, the less potential for uploaders and content in general.

    If you just want TV/Movies/0-day, Usenet is probably a good choice. If you want music, torrenting is the way to go (imo). Apps/games can really go either way.

    People bemoan the community aspect of torrenting as a waste of time, but often forget that it's an optional feature. Really the only valid "time waster" I see in your list above is the seeding part. If you consider a 30 second visit every few months a huge waste of time, your life is probably far too busy to be posting this forum thread. Besides, most sites will give you immunity from inactivity deletion if you hit Power User.

    For me it's just a lot easier because I already have buffers built up and friends on various sites. For me it really is as simple as just download and forget if need be. But if I were starting all over again, I'd certainly lend heavy consideration to a Usenet subscription.
    Quote Originally Posted by whatcdfan View Post
    u are somewhat fairer then the last occasions but still pal i give a damn to what u said and expect i really dont need anything from u or optimuscrime i get what i want coz u 2 guyes dont own bittorrent and i dont think i portrayed any image i wrote simple english and u are seems to be very good at making assumptions if someone is not a cheater and u assume he's a cheater and write what u wrote and when u are proven wrong who u think will owe an apology then barack obama????

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    I don't agree with much of what's said there. I gave my opinion on this subject here.

    But here's a full quote:

    After using usenet intermittently for the past 11 years and bittorrent since the suprnova days, here are my thoughts:

    Comfort: Newsgroups win, without discussion. You add the .NZB (usenet "equivalent" to the .torrent file), files get downloaded, unrar'd, the ISO moved to the chosen destination on the HDD to the category you set, and then the RAR's are deleted (of course all this is customizable). You can shutdown the computer and go sleep. What you save on the power bill by not having the PC on 24/7 is almost enough to pay for a monthly subscription, I would dare say.

    Speed: Newsgroups win. You always max out your connection speed, no matter the age of the file. Old torrents are usually extremely slow, as they are seeded by home connections.

    Contents: You can't compare the usenet to a single tracker, but to the cloud. There's no clear winner, if you compare usenet to sites like TPB or demonoid for example. You can't compare it to any private tracker, as they all get squashed. I'll get to the "niche" trackers later.

    Searching the contents: There are several automatic and manual indexers (FST is one of them). Also, there are several bt trackers. The difference is you would need quite a lot of memberships on sites to even close to what a NZB indexer can find. It's a clear win for Newsgroups too. Automated indexing sites like NZBIndex.nl or even Newsleecher's integrated SuperSearch blow away any competition. If you got used to the manual indexing, like you see on any tracker, then you'll find FST's NZB section very lookalike.

    Cost-effectiveness: I have already mentioned that you don't have to keep your PC turned on 24/7 seeding 365 days per year. You can shut it down any time you want and still get the files when you wish without ratio worries.
    Additionally, many people resort to seedboxes to keep their ratios up and build a "buffer". Once you start using newsgroups, and if you ever paid for a seedbox before, you will shake your head in disbelief when you think of the wasted money. The cost of a decent seedbox is enough to let you pay for newsgroups for one entire year. Add to this the power saving, the hassle saving, and do your math. So, saying bittorrent is free and usenet is not, is a false statement. Obviously, BT is populated with kids who live with their parents who cough up the cash for the bills, so they will always argue this point.

    Community: What is a community? FST surely is one, xtremesystems is another, etc. In the end of the day, if you are a guy with too much free time, you will see you won't have to participate in some communities you otherwise wouldn't bother to, unless you are expecting some kind of reconnaissance to get you invited to other places. This saves you a lot of time you can spend on other tasks, like banging your wife / girlfriend. Newsgroups is about getting your files and few technical related discussions. Bittorrent is about the drama. So, BT wins on entertainment value, to the day you get bored.

    In my personal opinion, for a perfect downloading experience you would use usenet for nearly everything, a couple of niche trackers (BCG, what.cd and a few elearning sites) and places like warez-bb or even emule for very rare contents.

    PS: Oh, did I say you don't have to deal with kids who masturbate each other because they "staff" at some site? And who behave like heroes because they can ban you and even tell their buttbuddies to ban you too? Expecting it makes any difference because all summed up you can get the same content at a dozen other places.

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    Another negative for BT is Security: With BT everyone you download from, or upload to, can see and log your IP address. With Usenet or DDL only your service provider would have access to that.
    ONLY IN IT 4 TEH LULZ

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    It can take some effort and some time but usenet can be free too.
    This is a snapshot of my Sabnzbd Usenet-client that I use without any kind of paying subscription at all.


    Translation:
    Omvang = Total Size Downloaded
    Deze maand = Downloaded this month
    Deze week = Downloaded this week.

    Keep in mind I deleted my history about 3 months ago.
    Can you feel the LOVE

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    Quote Originally Posted by P2PDog View Post
    Another negative for BT is Security: With BT everyone you download from, or upload to, can see and log your IP address. With Usenet or DDL only your service provider would have access to that.
    + all of their 'staffs' can even see users email ID and can use them (to spam obv)
    Teh n00b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bijoy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by P2PDog View Post
    Another negative for BT is Security: With BT everyone you download from, or upload to, can see and log your IP address. With Usenet or DDL only your service provider would have access to that.
    + all of their 'staffs' can even see users email ID and can use them (to spam obv)
    Only a careless person uses a non-disposable e-mail adress when registering on a tracker!
    Can you feel the LOVE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disme View Post
    It can take some effort and some time but usenet can be free too.
    This is a snapshot of my Sabnzbd Usenet-client that I use without any kind of paying subscription at all.


    Translation:
    Omvang = Total Size Downloaded
    Deze maand = Downloaded this month
    Deze week = Downloaded this week.

    Keep in mind I deleted my history about 3 months ago.
    Are you downloading the internet ?
    Over 1Tb per month ? I didn't even know there was so much stuff available for download.

  9. BitTorrent   -   #9
    Don't want to disturb the usenet love-in, but torrents can be absolutely pain free, too. Time consuming? Only if you want to, that's up to you. Speeds? Ridiculous on most better trackers these days, thanks to seedbox whores. Maxing out my 100Mbit link is no problem whatsoever.

    Thing is, P2P has changed the way pirated material is released these days, at least as far as certain types of content like music or movies are concerned. Torrent trackers have become a source of content themselves, in contrast to the early days when it was all about spreading scene content. Many trackers have their own internal groups with exclusive releases, more often than not faster and of better quality than the traditional scene. Just for that, I wouldn't want to miss torrents, knowing that not all of those releases make it to other trackers even, not to mention usenet or DDL.

    Being a member on many sites with terabytes of combined buffer, there simply is no need for me to look for alternatives, there is too much content for me out there as it is. The only 'time consuming' part for me is to decide what I actually want to download, but this would be exactly the same with usenet or other forms of access.

    Still, I'm actually glad that the usenet alternative exists, should torrenting die one day, for whatever reason. But until then, I will enjoy the 6 years retention (oldest torrents on the oldest trackers still alive), always 100% completion of bittorrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
    Being a member on many sites with terabytes of combined buffer, there simply is no need for me to look for alternatives
    ^This

    I max out my speed as well on 95% of things I download (50Mbps), I can probably count on my fingers the times I didn't find what I wanted to download on trackers, so why would I care about usenet. I'm not saying it is bad, the speed/retention factor there seems great, but can you really tell me that you can find stuff from what.cd, pornolab, scc, hdbits, e-learning, music videos etc. all in one place in the same quality?

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