my anaylsis on usenet vs torrenting

[Funkin']

What is wrong about that statement? Do you want to deny that certain newsgroup ISPs are plagued by DMCA takedowns these days, a relatively new phenomenon that didn't exist (to this degree) when the initial statement was made?

Big deal. And torrent trackers get taken offline pretty often. Just because either file sharing method(or any others) get heat brought down on them doesn't mean they're going to suddenly disappear.

[shipwreck]

Define what you consider as plagued.

Happening often, being annoying, making a mockery out of the $30something bucks spent on it each month. Something like that.

I'm aware that other providers like Astraweb are not affected by this, at least not to this degree. But still, the fact remains that just like bittorrent trackers before them, usenet is under some pressure from the authorities and media lobby groups, too.

Big deal. And torrent trackers get taken offline pretty often. Just because either file sharing method(or any others) get heat brought down on them doesn't mean they're going to suddenly disappear.

When a torrent tracker goes down temporarily, it doesn't lose the content (at least not under normal circumstances), hence it can't be compared to DMCA takedowns, which make re-upping of the content necessary. They may not really stop usenet in the grand scheme of things, but as I've said, the so called 'safe haven' immune to authorities and lobby groups it is not anymore.

[Cabalo]

1. You are off the loop. You don't have to go far and check on this site how much it costs usenet access. I'll give you an hint, it's around 7,5€ per month.
2. DMCA takedowns often? Or do you mean extremely rarely? Besides, if you know how to use the usenet, those takedowns don't really remove any contents.
3. You're just giving an opinion based on hearsay. I suggest getting your facts straight before posting unsubstantiated opinions.
4. Even if the above mentioned were wrong, the 1000 days retention on maximum speeds clearly beats hands down ANY tracker. Give me one tracker that can max out a 40mbit connection on all 3+ year old files.
5. Contents. Check my previous quote from another similar discussion. Heck, just for the comparison of it, FST has gone live around 6 months ago with the V2 of the NZB section, and it already indexes more stuff than most of the trackers around. And we're very small compared to some major NZB sites, yet.

[mjmacky]

This is true shipwreck, lurn moar bout usenet, itll be to yo ben-a-fit.
A lot of what you're saying appears very disconnected and rumor driven from the point of view of an active usenet user, which is why it was obvious you weren't a usenet user. DMCA "takedowns" are usually assumed in those cases, but not confirmed, and it's based on how the post is affected (which is all I'll limit myself to say). I made the mistake the first month by paying $25/mo for Giganews when I was breaking myself into usenet, after I ran up my low tolerance for stupidity on private trackers so it was sort of rushed. However, any regular user should be at the receiving end of great service for just around $10/mo. Plus the fact that it's completely open, and not just the "scene" posts to it, it's a great medium for anyone to use (giver or taker).

[Evelyn]

ain't this became an identical to everlasting browser-war

[WickedMAN]

usenet costs money. torrents does not. guess who won? end of the story.

[Hypatia]

usenet costs money. torrents does not. guess who won? end of the story.

lol
you won, mon ami.
A medal. Guess what medal?

[Disme]

usenet costs money. torrents does not. guess who won? end of the story.

Big load of J-DYE-style bull-crap ... nowadays if you want to be able to get everything you want on trackers, eventually you will have to get yourself a seedbox ... that costs money too.
You can also download from public trackers but than you risk getting letters from your ISP etc ...

I've been using both methods for some time now ... torrents for many years, usenet for a year or so (still managing to get my usenet-needs filled without any kind of payed subscription) and I have to say I really like the Usenet and even prefer it over torrents.
I've been using both to my utmost satisfaction, since I can get everything I need/want ...

[shipwreck]

First of all, it seems like you guys still missed the point, despite me explaining it in detail repeatedly. It was not about which protocol / way to get stuff was the 'better' one, that's highly subjective anyway, so discussing hours / days / weeks / months or even years about it is retarded indeed. It was about the claim that bittorrent was under pressure from the authorities, ISPs, anti-piracy organisations and other lobby groups, actually to the degree that there is a danger of it going extinct, while usenet is not. It was claimed that in foreseeable time, usenet would be the only alternative left, creating the illusion of 'immunity' of usenet to similar threats. And that, my friends, is an illusion indeed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Second, usenet is older than the WWW. I've used binary newsgroups before some of you were born. Have I used them in recent times? No. Have the fundamental principles of sharing binaries over usenet changed since then? No. So please, spare me the lectures, especially if it's not even relevant for the point I was trying to get across.


But to hell with it, let's keep this thread going ad nauseam.

1. You are off the loop. You don't have to go far and check on this site how much it costs usenet access. I'll give you an hint, it's around 7,5€ per month.

I'm aware of that, actually mentioned $11/month Astraweb myself. But I was talking about Giganews in that specific post, the biggest and most expensive provider that is actually plagued by DMCA takedowns the most.

2. DMCA takedowns often? Or do you mean extremely rarely? Besides, if you know how to use the usenet, those takedowns don't really remove any contents.

Again, depends on your provider.

3. You're just giving an opinion based on hearsay. I suggest getting your facts straight before posting unsubstantiated opinions.

Hearsay? I'd like you to point out what the "unsubstantiated" part of my posts was.

4. Even if the above mentioned were wrong, the 1000 days retention on maximum speeds clearly beats hands down ANY tracker. Give me one tracker that can max out a 40mbit connection on all 3+ year old files.

Retention? See TL where I can max out my 100Mbit connection with 5 year old releases, just tested a few myself right now. Not to mention those dozens of specialised trackers that keep old and rare stuff on seedboxes for years. Besides, how relevant is this really in practice? How often do you actually need to download such old releases, especially if you have been around for years? Not to mention all the remasters, internals and whatnot that are being released all the time, depending on the content you're looking for. And there are always requests you can make.

5. Contents. Check my previous quote from another similar discussion. Heck, just for the comparison of it, FST has gone live around 6 months ago with the V2 of the NZB section, and it already indexes more stuff than most of the trackers around. And we're very small compared to some major NZB sites, yet.

Again, highly subjective, it all depends on the type of content you want (especially if you prefer tracker exclusive releases, you have no alternative to bittorrent).

[yevgeny]

hmm theres a lot to like about usenet, i use it occasionally for games cos its way better than 5Kbps on demonoid for stuff like daphne roms, as for replacing mv, what, etc I dont quite think so. Itd be nice to have everything in the one spot instead of joining a hundred different nzb or torrent sites, but moreover I think weve all got it pretty good and they're both about the same.