Bin Laden admitted the atrocities committed in his name. A lot of the wateboarding(torture) was applied to people who have since been proved innocent. Plus the fact that torturing prisoners is against the Geneva Convention.
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Bin Laden admitted the atrocities committed in his name. A lot of the wateboarding(torture) was applied to people who have since been proved innocent. Plus the fact that torturing prisoners is against the Geneva Convention.
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I'm not talking about people in general; I'm discussing terrorists. To my knowledge, the only ones who ever claimed to have been waterboarded have been found guilty of everything under the Sun, or are still awaiting trial.Originally Posted by bigboab
Also, at the time of the accusations, I don't believe waterboarding was considered torture as the subjects head is not submersed. Not sure if it is now either. Just going from memory though...
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"Some" tried to redefine it, but it always was and still is torture. The methods used are pretty much identical to the methods used by the Japanese during WW2, for which they were executed for war crimes.
When I was a kid I was told "We do these things not because they're easy, but because they're hard"
Now all I hear is " I won't do anything unless there's something in it for me"
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Presumption of innocence out the window then? Don't get me wrong. If I had my way people caught carrying out these atrocities would be shot on the spot. I would also apply the same treatment to anyone throwing a petrol bomb. Just imagine what a soldier or policeman doing his job has to suffer if he is caught in a petrol bomb explosioin.I'm not talking about people in general; I'm discussing terrorists. To my knowledge, the only ones who ever claimed to have been waterboarded have been found guilty of everything under the Sun, or are still awaiting trial.
Also, at the time of the accusations, I don't believe waterboarding was considered torture as the subjects head is not submersed. Not sure if it is now either. Just going from memory though...
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The worst terrorist of the recent times is dead now! I am satisfied.
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That face that they did get bin laden in obama's presidencey helps him tremendously towards another 4 years. Also that there is really no competition out there. It's pretty sad state that we cant get good people in the office. Let's be honest Bush only wanted to make money for himself and his buddies.
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I didn't really like Bush, but I disagree with you if you are implying that Bush didn't care about America. He wanted America to be a better place.
And I really hope Obama will be President for 4 more years.
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oh he cared about America and the money it provided him and his friends. Do you realize all the unaccounted for money in iraq? BIllions of dollars. Just another one of his screw ups.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10774002
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Granting all due credit to the multitudes involved, the fact still remains that intelligence agencies respond to the agenda of the White House and Bush flat out ignored OBL from the time he climbed off the rubble at Ground Zero till about mid 2006.
The Bush administration was far more interested in ginning up a war with Iraq than pursuing a lone fugitive and by the time his capture was deemed politically desirable again, OBL had become very adept at hiding.
The emerging financial crisis distracted Bush yet again (he's an obviously poor multi-tasker) and ultimately, no matter how you sugar coat it, Bush failed to capture Bin Laden.
Obama made it an issue while campaigning, a priority after taking office and OBL is now dead.
Seems pretty cut-n-dried to me...Bush failed, Obama didn't.
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I think Obama has a good reality based policy when it comes to dealing with the terrorist threats we face. I think he takes a far more level headed approach, focusing on the issue and dealing with it rather than wasting time trying to scare everyone into supporting his approach. Obama has been proven right with so many of the things he said and the likes of Palin (actually just insert names here) have been shown to have little grasp of reality. I give the president all deserved credit for the job he has done and the calls he has had to make.
I give the president all credit for what I see as a very humble attitude to what quite frankly is the best news we've heard in a long time. IMO if this happened when Bush was president he would be wrapping himself in glory off the backs of those that actually put their lives on the line. Bush rode on the backs of the troops for most of his presidency.
I give Obama credit for risking what would have been a politically disastrous call had the mission failed, think Carter, but I do not give the glory for the success to Obama at all.
President Obama doesn't appear to be taking credit for killing Bin Laden, rightly so.
My opinion of his ideology since his election hasn't changed, my opinion of the man has become positive.I can't say I share his ideology, but I will state that president Obama isn't just the president in title, he really is presidential.
When I was a kid I was told "We do these things not because they're easy, but because they're hard"
Now all I hear is " I won't do anything unless there's something in it for me"
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