Longhorn To Phase Out Internet

[invictusx]

Completely re-write the internet? impossible ... no website is going to adjust themselves THAT much (aside from M$ itself)

[joke]

Brilliant business model!

Correct me if I am wrong - Shifting from browser application to core window application, probably users have to upgrade their machine to support new functions. If my argument is correct, then this move must be welcomed by PC manufacturers, who, otherwise, have no excuse to persuade customer to upgarde to P4 3G+ for general office usage. The other way round, they will be more sticky to M$ platform rather than other open OS.

[Triadcool]

Its not going to happen.

[darkewolf]

Originally posted by joke@12 November 2003 - 03:44
Brilliant business model!

Correct me if I am wrong - Shifting from browser application to core window application, probably users have to upgrade their machine to support new functions. If my argument is correct, then this move must be welcomed by PC manufacturers, who, otherwise, have no excuse to persuade customer to upgarde to P4 3G+ for general office usage. The other way round, they will be more sticky to M$ platform rather than other open OS.

another typical case of the big business stepping all over the little guy mentality. "Persuade"? Bite me. I'll upgrade for what I need, when I can afford to, and when I want to. Business, especially corporations; need a bash in the head to remind them that what they think will make them the most $$$ in their CEO's pockets AINT always what the public wants...and it AINT THEIR place to decide what WE "need".
so what, if some 65 year old only uses her machine to talk to the grandkids by email, or by messenger service? she needs to spend that crappy lil bit of money that the gov't sends her per month on upgrading her system to comply with what microSHAFT wants?

I agree...longhorn needs to take a bullet. And microsoft needs a swift kick in the head, so far as their OS's goes. I LIKE my microsoft office keyboard, but considering that most of the big names in the industry supply similar boards WITH the machine nowadays, its just a case of MS trying to grab a share of consumer market where they can.

Yeah, that is one thing that Linux has working against it. The icons dont make sense, the program names dont make sense. And the redhat version that I used several times, had everything BURIED in extensive lists of directories.

Office might be an exception to the rule. One of the major reasons that M$ pays so much attention to it is because it's such a major business app. I dont know very many large offices that use Corel. More the sorrow.

[Supernatural]

See what you've done MagicNakor? You created another Microsoft flame topic using misleading information. I hope you're happy now!

[echidna]

Originally posted by Supernatural@12 November 2003 - 05:26
I don't know. Office has always been good, and each new release just gets better.

office has always been the most common peice of shit software this side of windows

i have spent years cleaning up documents which people had thought they had 'finished' writing in word
word is a bad word processor [that's why quark has existed so long]
frontpage is a worse html editor [what the f%ck is '_vti_cnf' apart from detailing your login id]
and access vs. MySQL+PHP is no competition

each new release of office confuses users more than the last, it's all proprietry 'MS only' bells and whistles

maybe this topic should have been called 'microsoft and their supporters continue to live in dreamland'

[Supernatural]

Don't even TRY to argue that MS office isn't the best office suite available. OpenOffice LMAO.

[Money Fist]

What i know about Long Horn

is that almost every copy feature
eg WMP CD copying function

will nag not to illegally distribute what ever it is your copying
there will be tick boxes for you to confirm these agreements

IT IS STUPID

[darkewolf]

Fiber- I LOVE that pic in your sig! B)

I dunno what would be more annoying...those nags, or the insane number of messenger popups that xp users get, till they learn how to turn them off.

I'd been reading an article in PC Magazine while I was at the airport waiting for my flight home, back in Sept. The US Gov't had been trying to strongarm M$ into building a backdoor into their OS, for "homeland security" purposes. Basically so that all of those Alphabetical agencies could script their way in, and gather intell (e.g. - SPY) according to the official line. To the best of the author's knowledge, M$ refused.
But...who's to say that they arent lying, and that they DID put a backdoor into the new OS? I mean, granted, it wouldnt take too long for somebody to figure out how to lock it, but there's a lot of users out there that are clueless.

I'll admit..there's been SOME improvements in WinBLOWS. And I'll also admit, that as tech progresses, the OS has to upgrade, to keep up with it. Hell, I remember trying to run USB on a win95 sr2 and that was shit. But...M$ just cant leave it alone. They gotta try to be "bigger, better, and much improved" and in the end just end up making more of a monster.

[echidna]

Originally posted by darkewolf+13 November 2003 - 10:50--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (darkewolf &#064; 13 November 2003 - 10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I&#39;d been reading an article in PC Magazine while I was at the airport waiting for my flight home, back in Sept.&nbsp; The US Gov&#39;t had been trying to strongarm M&#036; into building a backdoor into their OS, for "homeland security" purposes.&nbsp; Basically so that all of those Alphabetical agencies could script their way in, and gather intell (e.g. - SPY) according to the official line.&nbsp; To the best of the author&#39;s knowledge, M&#036; refused.
&nbsp; But...who&#39;s to say that they arent lying, and that they DID put a backdoor into the new OS?&nbsp; I mean, granted, it wouldnt take too long for somebody to figure out how to lock it, but there&#39;s a lot of users out there that are clueless.
&nbsp;
&nbsp; I&#39;ll admit..there&#39;s been SOME improvements in WinBLOWS.&nbsp; And I&#39;ll also admit, that as tech progresses, the OS has to upgrade, to keep up with it.&nbsp; Hell, I remember trying to run USB on a win95 sr2 and that was shit.&nbsp; But...M&#036; just cant leave it alone.&nbsp; They gotta try to be "bigger, better, and much improved" and in the end just end up making more of a monster.[/b]

i&#39;ve read that, the XP EULA already provides for M&#036; to "write, modify remove or execute&#39; data on any system using XP without the end users consent or knowledge [i&#39;m still using 98 so i can&#39;t be bothered checking the accuracy of this].
i don&#39;t know if they&#39;ve ever tried to use it but keeping it in their contracts is a bit sus.

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&nbsp; Don&#39;t even TRY to argue that MS office isn&#39;t the best office suite available. OpenOffice LMAO.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [/quote]

that must be why, yesterday, i had to spend two otherwise potentially productive hours debugging html from an office .doc, as it was crashing IE6.

ie. &#39;internet explorer has performed an illegal action and will be shot down&#39;

it turned out that the reason was the translation of the degree symbol ° into an html character entity,
the code used by M&#036; Word caused IE to eat shit and die, closing any IE windows.

Word used a numeric entity like &170; or something i can&#39;t remember, [i saved a note at work]
i replaced all instances of that entity with &deg;
the crashed ceased and the degree sign, ° appeared.

so M&#036; Word from M&#036; Office, writes M&#036;HTML which can crash M&#036; Internet Explorer,
and you want me to believe that it is the best office suite available.

dream on, pathetic though your dreams may be.
real issues which i have to deal with speak much louder to me than hollow loudmouthed bragging

[i just tested the HTML output of openoffice.org 1.1 Writer, and dreamweaver MX. they both use &deg; like i do. so it is just microsoft users who get to have their pages pertaining to subjects like recipes or weather or geography or engines or physics or in this case scuba diving, crash their users browser. what a great product ]