I don't like Obama's proposal that Israel should return to its pre-1967 borders

[bigboab]

You mean, Lawrence promised the WHOLE land to the Arabs, not just some part of it? And he didn't think about the Jews at all?

The only person who could have honestly answered that, and was going to do just that, was mysteriously killed in a motorcycle accident. You would need to read the history from that point to understand the dealing and double dealing that went on regarding Palestine. Who promised the Israelis that land is up to your imagination. Who gave it to them? The League Of Nations.

My personal opinion is that Israeli should be confined to the land allocated by the League Of Nations. If any other small country had invaded and kept the land they would have been forced to return to the original borders. They should drop the United Nations Veto and see what the majority of countries think. Just a thought.

I think that this subject has been covered in other threads. If you search you will find most of the opinions. I have little enough time left to go back through it all.

[OlegL]

Okay.

[whatcdfan]

Mother don’t cry for me I am heading off to war
God almighty is my armour and sword
Palestine, Forever Palestine

Children being killed for throwing stones in the sky
They say to their parents don’t worry, God is on our side
Palestine, Forever Palestine
Mother don’t worry when they come for us at night
Surely they’ll be sorry when God puts them right
Tell me why they’re doing what was done to them
Don’t they know that God is with the oppressed and needy
Perished were the nations that ruled through tyranny
Palestine, Forever Palestine

Children of Palestine are fighting for their lives
They say to their parents we know that Palestine is our right
They to say to their parents we’ll fight for what is right
They say not to worry God is on our side
They say we’ll die for Palestine
Palestine, Forever Palestine

[megabyteme]

So, what is it you are saying with your uncommented C&P, WFan?

Are you going to war, personally? Or are you simply being dramatic?


Personally, the decision to "give" the Jews such a sacred place was the worst, most backstabbing piece of American history and has caused TREMENDOUS damage to world stability. There is an old clip showing the complete shock and betrayal of the Arabs by America at the League of Nations during that vote. Essentially, America had promised to back the Arabs, and then did a COMPLETE betrayal to them. The video shows just how betrayed, and bewildered those men were.

Regardless of my position on the matter, a C&P of a video and someone's propaganda poem is SPINELESS.

[OlegL]

Personally, the decision to "give" the Jews such a sacred place was the worst, most backstabbing piece of American history and has caused TREMENDOUS damage to world stability. There is an old clip showing the complete shock and betrayal of the Arabs by America at the League of Nations during that vote. Essentially, America had promised to back the Arabs, and then did a COMPLETE betrayal to them. The video shows just how betrayed, and bewildered those men were.

But the State of Israel cannot exist without a land.

[megabyteme]

But the State of Israel cannot exist without a land.

[OlegL]

The League of Nations' actions were not able to prevent the Holocaust. It's obvious that throughout the world history, the Jews suffered more than the Arabs and even though the majority of the Palestinians are probably good people, their leaders are often terrorists.

[whatcdfan]

The League of Nations' actions were not able to prevent the Holocaust. It's obvious that throughout the world history, the Jews suffered more than the Arabs and even though the majority of the Palestinians are probably good people, their leaders are often terrorists.

I would have asked the definition of terrorist from your view point but since I have already ascertained your mental ability, that would be highly inappropriate.

Returning to the original post-

Who gives a shit about what obama says, I did not get to participate in the selection of the leadership (being from a different country) then why would I care for what he thinks is right. Also, I remember the people that took the holy land away from the Moslems, did not come and politely asked to move out from their homes and fields.We will strive to get the full political control over the complete holy land (no matter who resides there) then we'll talk about who is right and what is wrong and with nukes and capitalism in equation I am hopeful this time it will be settled forever.

[j2k4]

We will strive to get the full political control over the complete holy land (no matter who resides there) then we'll talk about who is right and what is wrong and with nukes and capitalism in equation I am hopeful this time it will be settled forever.

Precisely the formulation that gives one pause - there is only one way to "settle" anything "forever", you see?

Your next step might be your last.

[megabyteme]

The League of Nations' actions were not able to prevent the Holocaust. It's obvious that throughout the world history, the Jews suffered more than the Arabs and even though the majority of the Palestinians are probably good people, their leaders are often terrorists.

It was the members of the LoN who stopped it, though.

The Palestinians were not active players in the Holocaust, why take their land? Prior to the Settlement, the Palestinians were not terrorists. Granted, wars had been fought hundreds of years prior over that land, but the Jews lost. And lost it way before modern times.

But the State of Israel cannot exist without a land.

No group can exist without "a land".

Other than Bible prophecy, was there any reason that the Jewish settlement had to be there? Why not resettle the population of homeless in the areas taken by Hitler? For that matter, why not settle them in New Jersey, or Detroit since these people seem to favor living in the most sad, hostile lands?

Move on. You (the Jews) are camping in someone else's back yard, and you have "outstayed" your welcome.