Playback stutters mostly with immerse releases

[mjmacky]

Also I don't care how "hardware" the Popcorn Hour is. Please do correct me if I'm wrong in assuming it's Firmware driven i.e. software. Also remember that many groups have in recent times gone over to CRF encoding, making imho the encodes overall worse than the usual 2-pass encodes. In other words they starve parts of the encode while over-saturating other parts.

Sure, I'll do that. Decoding of the video stream is handled on chip, i.e. hardware. What is handled by software is the UI, splitting the streams in the MKV container (hardware can handle m2ts streams), parsing subtitles (as examples).

As for quality differences between CRF & 2-pass, it's a mixed bag. It will be weighted for worse on CRF given the use of 19 & 20 as the rate factors, but it is heavily source dependent. All that aside, detail quality has nothing to do with experiencing glitches in playback, which have often appeared in Immerse releases. What it seems like you are trying to suggest is that the bitrate spikes beyond the capabilities of both hardware and software players, which would be unlikely. However, if you'd like to pull an analysis on the particular video file, feel free to waste your time.

But then again it's clear to me what you are trying to make this thread about. You don't like me at all and I assure you the feeling is mutual.

You make it sound like it's a special case. I don't like most people, you in particular I just don't have any respect for (on account of your story about bending over and taking it). What you've interpreted as dislike, is in reality disgust. Usually your posts are are kind of lame or just boring so I don't pay them any mind, but suggesting to clean out the fan on the PC and a popcorn hour (which is fanless unless modified) was really too silly to ignore. My response towards your posts weren't about pulling the thread into a direction allowing me to confess or display any feeling towards you, it's about your quick dismissal of there being anything wrong with immerse releases by offering a particularly unfounded explanation (given the historical context of their releases and the details provided). I simply responded in the same manner that I would respond to anybody that has earned my disgust. If you want to drag that out any further, go make a thread about it, and I'll join in if it's interesting.

[Night0wl]

While it is 25fps problem in this case, I have to say come again with your hardware chip decoding not being dependent on software.

http://www.popcornhour.com/download/...1-POP-408.html

- Fixed stuttering 25fps H264 video in MKV (Bug #5001993)

[mjmacky]

That would be because they're specific instruction sets on the chip, hardware features of a chipset doesn't mean it's literally hardwired. A processor is in the end just a bunch of conductors and semi-conductors, it wouldn't do anything if you didn't have any type of firmware. It feels like you don't understand that, so are you trying to make a point or ask a question?

Secondly, read up about the difference between hardware and software decoding, in the end it basically boils down to the number of operations needed to decode.

[Night0wl]

That would be because they're specific instruction sets on the chip, hardware features of a chipset doesn't mean it's literally hardwired. A processor is in the end just a bunch of conductors and semi-conductors, it wouldn't do anything if you didn't have any type of firmware. It feels like you don't understand that, so are you trying to make a point or ask a question?

Secondly, read up about the difference between hardware and software decoding, in the end it basically boils down to the number of operations needed to decode.

I said the Popcorn hour is software dependent, so just like on the PC, it could be a firmware ie. software problem. That's it, nothing more nothing less. I also said the IMMERSE releases, since you're so 100% sure it's not the fan, are stuttering due to software issues, since they are not nuked and propered. Also I never mentioned a single word about the Popcorn Hour not being able to keep up, because of some chip not being able to handle decoding. I said it could be due to a rendering issue, i.e. again a firmware ie. software issue. You're the one that keeps insisting on it being unlikely due to hardware decoding.

I honestly think it's you that has reading comprehension problems.

Are IMMERSE releases stuttering for you? because they aren't for me. <-- That is a question, in case you were wondering.

[xJohnxSmithx]

Set aside Immerse and popcorn. In my experience, choppy hd video on a pc can be handled by upgrading your video card.
cheers

[Artemis]

Set aside Immerse and popcorn. In my experience, choppy hd video on a pc can be handled by upgrading your video card.
cheers

So basically we'll just get rid of the WHOLE point of the thread, just so that you can have your say, even if it has very little to do with the topic.

[IdolEyes787]

I think post number 6 has a lot of validity to it.

[Night0wl]

The OP also has part of the fault for the derailment of this thread, since he doesn't even bother saying what kind of setup he has. Popcorn Hour comes in several flavors (pun intended) and he has said nothing about whether it's up to date. He also mentions nothing more than that he tried it on a PC, not mentioning what kind or for that matter whether it's 1 or 10 years old, nor what kind of codec's he has on it, nor what media player he used or if he tried more than one media player. All of these things would be nice to know when dealing with an issue pertaining to them.

For all we know, it could be down to only the PC since he has that linked to his Popcorn Hour. Or he downloads directly to his Popcorn Hour and it ruins the files before he moves them to PC.

I mod at another support forum and this is how pretty much every support thread with lacking info unfolds. Either lots of guessing or standardized answers which may or may not help at all.

[mjmacky]

I said the Popcorn hour is software dependent, so just like on the PC, it could be a firmware ie. software problem. That's it, nothing more nothing less. I also said the IMMERSE releases, since you're so 100% sure it's not the fan, are stuttering due to software issues, since they are not nuked and propered. Also I never mentioned a single word about the Popcorn Hour not being able to keep up, because of some chip not being able to handle decoding. I said it could be due to a rendering issue, i.e. again a firmware ie. software issue. You're the one that keeps insisting on it being unlikely due to hardware decoding.

I honestly think it's you that has reading comprehension problems.

Are IMMERSE releases stuttering for you? because they aren't for me. <-- That is a question, in case you were wondering.

You seem to have lost your way completely. Everything electronic has some type software dependency, making your utterance overly redundant. If you are going to stumble will you at least make it look comical rather than uninspiring. PCH will decode and render any scene release appropriately. The insistence, as you have incorrectly interpreted, is that assuming playback problems cross-platform and using differing decoding methods would indicate hardware errors (thermal in this case) is an absurd stance to start on.

Since you had missed it earlier, I have observed many problems with immerse encodes in the past, and therefore, no longer snatch their releases. Let me know if your lack of comprehension of post 7 make a repeat performance in this very short paragraph. If OP wants to come back in and name a particular release, and additionally identify a specific time point, I might partake in confirmation. He, however, vaguely names only immerse releases; a particular classification that introduces no surprise.

[Night0wl]

And still you dance around my question. Have you encountered stuttering in a non nuked IMMERSE release? I have encountered lots of small (and some larger) glitches as well as plain bad quality, but no stuttering. I haven't encountered stuttering on a single non-nuked release, IMMERSE or otherwise, apart from when my laptop fan was at fault.

It's a really simple question. I don't know why it's so hard to answer.

PCH will decode and render any scene release appropriately.

Obviously it doesn't or this thread wouldn't exist. Last I looked, IMMERSE was still scene although shameful scene.

Edit: as for thermal problems I specifically meant on the PC, like I mentioned in my second post in this thread. Post 8 in case you forgot