Oleg came to Ottawa.

[OlegL]

They sold out when they started participating in an active antipiracy campaign, or when they sued Green Jello, or when they started putting filler songs on their albums (if I may borrow an anime term). I don't think selling out has to relate to only a single event, I think you can sell out over and over again, and Metallica's Jason Newsted agrees:
"Yeah we sold out. We sold out every arena..." or one of the many variants he used; he repeated this line A LOT.

I didn't even know about the existence of the band Green Jello before you mentioned it and I looked it up on wikipedia. I knew that Metallica had sued Napster and that they had become a mainstream band after releasing the Black album.

[megabyteme]

I completely agree that Metallica (now there's a sign of becoming mainstream- spell check recognizes the band name )... actually, I don't even feel the need to complete the sentence.

As for Alien5's comment regarding Floyd (Coincidentally, just a couple days ago, I considered creating a "Best Floyd song/album" thread, but didn't get around to it)- Which album do you consider t be the "Black" album of Floyd? I would say it was somewhere after Waters left, but I can't say exactly where because they "changed" a lot over their careers, but the music never became "bad". I enjoy most of their albums entirely (some more than others, ofc). For their older stuff- Meddle is quite good, but I think under-rated. Mid-life, but over played would be The Wall. As for the newer stuff- I think the shows became a separation from music, and became "experiences". Not entirely bad, IMO.

Thoughts on Floyd?

[mjmacky]

Thoughts on Floyd?

I feel like driving my car off the side of a bridge every time one of their songs is replayed on the radio. The reasons are 1 of 2. Either I've had enough, or it put me to sleep.

[mjmacky]

[Alien5]

That's because most pink Floyd songs are not pink Floyd, theyre a group that never really recovered from the loss of their founding member Sid barrat.

The rolling stones also lost their founding member Brian jones and the Beatles also lost John Lennon.


The Early Floyd once played a gig in my home town before i was born, they played small pubs and clubs getting themselves known on the scene, the early records from 67 are the real Floyd, none of the ego superstar nonsense, a great time of the decade that made playing rock or attending some party's almost a life changing experience to many.

They were very early pioneers of the psychedelic light show that must have been something you would have been freaked out by to put it mildly.

After sid became increasingly uncrontralable during the gigs due to his acid experiences on stage, something had to change with sid or he would be shown the door.

it wasn't Sid who wanted to leave, they kicked him out because he couldn't play he was a mess, He was one of many others: The who, stones, doors, fleetwood Mac all had Members who were living timesaver the band wanted them to calm down a little, Easter said than done, london was in full on flower power by 68

Acid rock, didn't sit well with the establishment, free acid partys, phycadelic art, loud hippy culture in your face mentalist youth running the town

beginning of a bold new era of freedom to express whatever the floyd you want.

20th century was never the same again, the authority's banned free festivals, the hippys who didnt want to fight got beaten up a lot.

By the time their album dark side was released, it would soon be the that her era which was so fucking shit that I don't want to say any more,
The group were good at times.
If you've never dabbled in the Chems and herbs of the phycadelic variety then I wouldn't even bother listening to the Floyd, it has it's own place and time, like everything else.


"Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans"

-John Lennon






and I believe Sid barrat and. Co had a much bigger lead on the others producing long very music pieces light shows a year or two later If not more. When their dark side album propelled them into the A list, most of the real Floyd didn't have the same feel, it's a different band, the wall stands out as a whole show, movie and album on its own because it's more of a story about the life of pink who lost his father in the war. It's my favorite album of the later Floyd, "roger waters - The Wall live in Berlin" is a great show with some amazing special guests and the largest audience Imaginable., dark side was my favorite for years, all the tracks mix together, years ahead of its time, it's so well Engendered that it sounds like it was made recently, favorite album cover has got to be Animals. The pig is my favorite floyd icon/logo/inflatable flying pig.

1. Corporal clegg from the second album
Sums up Floyd to me, they were making music for the enjoyment.

The wall - roger was fed up of huge arena tours, the wall described his hatred for the mainstream fan/s screaming the whole time, acting like pricks, hero worship on an idiot level.
Mega bucks ruined his outlook and alienated the group- that album really is about the music industry's lack of respect for musicians at the highest level.

[manker]

Fucking hell, Allen.
I've never listened to a Pink Floyd album, I don't even know the surnames of the band members you're talking about -- but I was interested in what you wrote.

And I read in a different post that you're married now. I guess this must have happened when fst and I weren't speaking to each other.
Congratulations.
You're also posting more than 5 words in a single post. Everything is new, you seem more philosophical and older. I thought you were a 22 year old wastrel.

In other news; you're still emo

[Alien5]

Yes it's the medication I'm taking, I can't stop posting in an emo semi-idiosyncratic diatribe of undue non offensive down right leisurely pish,

The gap you left in the lounge was severe.

Good to see you have arrived, are you feeling alive nowdays for the falsely advised of us had nowhere to pay our respects.

[manker]

That's my favourite kind of pish.
<insert obligatory Twain quote about death rumours and exaggeration >

What medication are you on?
Must be beneficial because even though it didn't look as if it made any sense at first. It actually does. And you didn't even edit.

[Alien5]

Perphenazine and clozapine for the anti-psychosis

[megabyteme]

Thanks for expressing your thoughts on Floyd, Allen. It must have been amazing to see one (or more) of their small, just-getting-started shows- especially during that time. While I agree with your choices in their songs, you start out with one direction- and then you discuss all of their most mainstream hits. Had the band not grown, they would have been seriously limited- and as you said "not the same band". I just disagree with that being bad- considering all of the great music that has come over 4 decades.

The most notable differences between the two bands being discussed involve Floyd growing and exploring new styles while growing and overcoming the loss of two HUGE influences- none of their albums (and rarely few songs are "track-skip worthy"), and Metallica finding it more desirable to gain market share while finding songs that are playable to MTV audiences and becoming a greater embarrassment to anyone who has ever mentioned being a fan during the 80's and early 90's (and an entire decade+ has been skip-necessary).

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@Macky: I remember The Three Little Pigs book from my childhood, and if Metallica wrote that, they deserve to sue the ass off of that Green Jelly band. Blatant storyline theft. Gosh, Metallica has not only written some great songs, but a great children's classic, too. That's range...

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This is certainly worth a read if you (as I was) unaware of Green Jello/y's career. Read all the way to the bottom for an interesting "where are they now" that includes Tool, Dreamworks, Disney, more...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Jellÿ