Love or Logic

[Alien5]

My favorite song written by Bowie is called Kooks, it reminds me of the time i first listened to hunky dory all the way through, I was in art class in 1991 or something like that, we started throwing clay around and making it stick to the ceiling and I made a huge sculpture that collapsed.

I had a teenage crush on a girl who was a friend of a friend, so embarrassing when you like someone that doesnt like you in that way, and at the same time someone is in love with you but you cant see her as anything more than a best friend, I cried a lot. The end.

Will you stay in our Lovers' Story
If you stay you won't be sorry
'Cause we believe in you
Soon you'll grow so take a chance
With a couple of Kooks
Hung up on romancing

Will you stay in our Lovers' Story
If you stay you won't be sorry
'Cause we believe in you
Soon you'll grow so take a chance
With a couple of Kooks
Hung up on romancing

We bought a lot of things to keep you warm and dry
And a funny old crib on which the paint won't dry
I bought you a pair of shoes
A trumpet you can blow
And a book of rules
On what to say to people when they pick on you
'Cause if you stay with us you're gonna be pretty Kookie too

Will you stay in my Lovers' Story
If you stay you won't be sorry
'Cause we believe in you
Soon you'll grow so take a chance
With a couple of Kooks
Hung up on romancing

And if you ever have to go to school
Remember how they messed up this old fool
Don't pick fights with the bullies or the cads
'Cause I'm not much cop at punching
Other people's Dads
And if the homework brings you down
Then we'll throw it on the fire
And take the car downtown

Will you stay in our Lovers' Story
If you stay you won't be sorry
'Cause we believe in you
Soon you'll grow so take a chance
With a couple of Kooks
Hung up on romancing

Will you stay in our Lovers' Story
If you stay you won't be sorry
'Cause we believe in you
Soon you'll grow so take a chance
With a couple of Kooks
Hung up on romancing

[Squeamous]

For everyone in here, love is also a feeling you have towards your siblings, parents, children. I wouldn't be so quick to equate it with lust...

Love is rather a sense of deep caring

A relationship starts out on lust, interest, affection. Eventually, the feeling of love is introduced and grown from a general investment into the other person. Once the relationship gets promoted by the acknowledged addition of love, the original drives of lust, interest, affection, etc. start to decline in variable rates. Eventually you'll end up with a hag/stretchysack who you don't care to fuck, kiss or listen to, but you'll be damned if you don't love the bitch/bastard. Either that or you just knock boots less often.

Of course, this all occurs in competition with contempt and feelings of its ilk, so that could alter the course in various ways. Love and contempt can coexist, just think about the relationships you might have with some of your family members, current lovers, exes.

Where does logic come into play? Well, it works into the development of love, your interpretation and understanding of the other person is a product of logic, and allows you to actively or subconsciously evaluate their worth in terms of your emotional investment. Logic plays its role in all of these factors that lead in and out of being in love. Logic is what keeps you from merely consuming their flesh and rolling around the floor covered in their innards.

Maybe too serious for a lounge post, I promise to derail subsequently.

That's what I said, expanded into mind-blowing tedium.

lolwut the fucking fuck

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I liked Mary Joe's post above about love being a sense of deep caring. I think it's wrong, though. Each time a commentator tries to quantify love, he or she ends up describing it as something else. Something different. Something that most certainly isn't love.

Oh, love is deeply caring about someone? Really, well isn't that just caring deeply. How deeply must one care before it's love. How deep is the line that separates love from care.
Love is when you take more pleasure in that person's pleasure than your own. Isn't that selflessness.
Love is when you can't get a person out of your mind. That's infatuation.
Love is when you get a funny feeling in the pit of your stomach when you think about someone. That's adrenaline released when you get excited. So, excitement.
Love is when the desire to look after someone over-rides everything else. Yeah, we're back to deeply caring again.

The are many more I could write, but I think that's enough for people to get the gist.
Basically I think what we describe as love is a mixture of any and all of these emotions. The more deeply you care/the more infatuated you are/the more you'd do for your partner, the more 'in love' you are.
You can't say it, though, because then you'd be accused of being cynical or 'incapable of love' or a sociopath. When people say; 'I love you', what they're actually saying is that they believe that the feelings they harbour toward the recipient of their utterance roughly equates to what they feel society's definition of love is.
Most people know this but it's left unsaid as it's so much easier to grunt 'I love you too'.


Love is the most intangible of intangibles. The reason for this is simple;
It doesn't exist.

I've revised my opinion. This is the definitive post on the subject, all further discourse will be ignored.

Isn't this thread ironic to the macs? A bunch of unlovable bastards and an unloving ball breaker all discussing love.


EDIT: And a moron (welcome, WhatCD)...

Fuck you.

Anyway, so if we assume that what Manker said is true (and I do), why is it there still isn't a better term of appreciation to use than 'I love you'? That phrase always pops into my head during the fifth or sixth bout of coitus with the same individual , earlier if narcotics are involved, and it irritates the fuck out of me. I don't say it, obviously, but that's probably the only time it ever feels natural to say it (in a romantic context). And I know it's not just me, because if a man is going to say it to me it will be while doing something mucky, every time. Then obviously the floodgates are opened for subsequent mentions, because once you've said it it becomes as commonplace as farting. So what is it people are really saying when they say 'I love you'?

[Squeamous]

And I just got seriously proposed to by a gay man. Confusion reigns.

[NotLettingItGo]

So you think that love is some kind of emotional enzyme. A catalyst to enhance the intensity of other emotions you feel for a person.

I would say that other emotions do this too - you must concur that Occam's razor dictates that my explanation is much more palatable than yours.
Jealousy and infatuation oft go hand in hand and encourage each other to effect a manic spiral of actions the unafflicted would describe as mental. Deeply caring for someone coupled with an ingrained loyalty to that person can lead to a state approaching perfect altruism.

I suggest that the your last stems from the illogical nature of emotions; it might be more sensible for my missus to be scared of walking home from the pub alone than of spiders, instead she will stagger home and then pish in the kitchen sink cus there's a spider in the bath.
We cannot plan or decide to feel excitement, panic or happiness. Just like we cannot decide which person our broiling menagerie of emotions will tell us that we 'love'.

I'd forgotten about this thread.

No I don't, I know love is a completely separate emotion. I shan't say anymore, because I'm not willing to feed the dickheads who occupy this site. Sorry I have tried, but it's not possible to put into words without the likes of chavis thinking he can make hay with it.

[megabyteme]

No I don't, I know love is a completely separate emotion. I shan't say anymore, because I'm not willing to feed the dickheads who occupy this site. Sorry I have tried, but it's not possible to put into words without the likes of chavis thinking he can make hay with it.

You do realize you could not have made that post any more without writing it in you own blood, don't you?

[NotLettingItGo]

Not everything that appears to be chum, is chum.

[mjmacky]

And I just got seriously proposed to by a gay man. Confusion reigns.

I assume this to be the gist of the story about that:

[mjmacky]

That's what I said, expanded into mind-blowing tedium.

I was in pseudo agreement to the point you made, which is why I decided to elaborate my own thoughts on it. The tedium was rather in the shortening of my post to what you saw there, accomplished during my proofread.

[Squeamous]

And I just got seriously proposed to by a gay man. Confusion reigns.

I assume this to be the gist of the story about that:

I hate you.

I was in pseudo agreement to the point you made, which is why I decided to elaborate my own thoughts on it. The tedium was rather in the shortening of my post to what you saw there, accomplished during my proofread.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I can assure you, tedium is still present even in your final draft. It's probably just slightly less than at the beginning.

[mjmacky]

I hate you.

Undoes all the effort I went through to put that together. Life is but a series of tedious tasks