Occupy Wall Street

[999969999]

I am not surprised that Cornell West is one of your heroes. He is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. He has Marxist ideas, which you love.

Hyperbolic reflection, coming from a pit of utterly reasonable prudent though processes (surely). To correct you in spite of my sarcasm, he's just one cool motherfucker.

Shakespeare: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

Obama: “It’s progress that calls to mind a Mexican proverb that I am told says, ‘Tell me who you walk with, and I will tell you who you are.’”

Chip Kelly: “If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a God damned duck!”

I can see why you and many of the people on the left wouldn't want to be associated with Marxism, since it has failed everywhere it has been tried, but I see a pattern in your posts. You side with the left on almost every issue, over and over again.

I'm sure you're too closed-minded to ever read something like this, but it would do you some good...




and this one

[999969999]

I haven't wasted my time reading 9's C&Ps, but when it comes to the issue of capitalism, I find myself more upset with the vast corruptions in the balance of power/representation than I am over someone's ability to make a few $s.

We are talking about a handful who control everything, and the rest of us who are supposed to believe that the game is fair "if you work hard". Fewer of us are believing it these days.

Come on. Be honest now. Have you worked hard?

Or are you just jealous of the rich and successful people?

It is this sort of mindset that leads to people never getting anywhere in life and then when they see people who are much better off than them they say it's not fair.

I will bet that our ancestors were pretty much equal--dirt poor-- when they landed on the shores of Ellis Island, but something happened along the way where we ended up having very different outcomes. America was built on the idea of equal opportunity, not equal outcomes.

Capitalism is really closer to nature, to Darwinism, to Natural Selection, to evolution. Trying to deny it and building safety nets to keep people from falling through the cracks is ultimately not healthy for our species.

[999969999]

I haven't wasted my time reading 9's C&Ps, but when it comes to the issue of capitalism, I find myself more upset with the vast corruptions in the balance of power/representation than I am over someone's ability to make a few $s.

We are talking about a handful who control everything, and the rest of us who are supposed to believe that the game is fair "if you work hard". Fewer of us are believing it these days.

The handful who are supposed to represent us aren't under the control of those who have the resources though, they chose to behave as they do out of that most basic of human instincts, self interest. They look after the rich because doing so makes them wealthy. So blaming those who have the resources is pointless, it's really the fault of the self serving people we chose to represent us.

And yet, corrupt politicians like Nancy Pelosi keep getting voted back in time and time again by liberals...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...e-information/

[999969999]

[NotLettingItGo]

And yet, corrupt politicians like Nancy Pelosi keep getting voted back in time and time again by liberals...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...e-information/

Your point being?

[megabyteme]

Come on. Be honest now. Have you worked hard?

Yes. I live in constant pain as a result.

[mjmacky]

Capitalism is really closer to nature, to Darwinism, to Natural Selection, to evolution. Trying to deny it and building safety nets to keep people from falling through the cracks is ultimately not healthy for our species.

Since capitalism is an economic system, relating it to natural selection is silly at best. You want to label social consciousness of human nature as the opponent to our survival? Hogwash. The communal cooperation between members of our species is the only reason we have been able to survive and increase our population over the past several millennia. Our socialist behavior is a product of the traits that have allowed our species to survive. Food, shelter and protection has always been made possible by a cooperative effort, can you imagine any of the nomadic tribes ever surviving based on a capitalist system?

Capitalism, unabated, is actually a destructive force. It has no inbuilt philosophy of self-preservation. Therefore, it needs to be partnered with a socio-economic system that keeps the snake from swallowing its tail.

Land of equal opportunity? Have you got any more silly ones you want to throw in? I'm sure the little colored people could use a few more ironic laughs to appease their anger over me calling them little colored people.

[NotLettingItGo]

The communal cooperation between members of our species is the only reason we have been able to survive and increase our population over the past several millennia. Our socialist behavior is a product of the traits that have allowed our species to survive. Food, shelter and protection has always been made possible by a cooperative effort, can you imagine any of the nomadic tribes ever surviving based on a capitalist system?

You know that's complete crap, right?

Capitalism, unabated, is actually a destructive force. It has no inbuilt philosophy of self-preservation. Therefore, it needs to be partnered with a socio-economic system that keeps the snake from swallowing its tail.

And that? Capitalism isn't alive, it doesn't have philosophies about anything, or instincts. It's practiced by people each and everyone of whom has a instinctual self preservation reflex built in, without which capitalism wouldn't work at all.

[mjmacky]

You know that's complete crap, right?

Argue a counter point if you really think it's valid. The human species doesn't survive/function on completely independent action. Maybe you got the wrong image when I said communal, but if you want to make an argument that we would have managed to survive without being a cooperative species, the floor is yours.

And that? Capitalism isn't alive, it doesn't have philosophies about anything, or instincts. It's practiced by people each and everyone of whom has a instinctual self preservation reflex built in, without which capitalism wouldn't work at all.

Sure, it isn't an animate entity, but I wasn't trying to infer that either. To reiterate, it is a system is put in place by a singular guiding principle. Once everyone builds up around that system, it's no longer in the control of any individual, regardless of what they practice. The point I was making is that there is a reason why we don't run an exclusive capitalistic society. It was a point meant to undermine nein's dissemination of a silly mantra of aiming towards a pure capitalistic socio-economic system, a point you seem to have missed.

[Bucerius]

You know that's complete crap, right?

Capitalism, unabated, is actually a destructive force. It has no inbuilt philosophy of self-preservation. Therefore, it needs to be partnered with a socio-economic system that keeps the snake from swallowing its tail.

And that? Capitalism isn't alive, it doesn't have philosophies about anything, or instincts. It's practiced by people each and everyone of whom has a instinctual self preservation reflex built in, without which capitalism wouldn't work at all.

1.) Whats your counterargument, just waving the premise is not a valid argument.
Second read a little Max Weber than you might get an inside that no Capitalism is not a self preservation reflex but a system created by people that we are now confronted with as its has become:

In Baxter’s view the care for external goods should only lie on the shoulders of the 'saint like a light cloak, which can be thrown aside at any moment.' But fate decreed that the cloak should become an iron cage.

in The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism written by Max Weber

The idea that only capitalism is a valid system and will continue to be forever is like saying the iPhone is the best phone that humanity can ever build it might be the most favorite phone at this given point but its an illusion to think this will stay so for ever.