Why isn't Ron Paul doing better?

[clocker]

And yet, he doesn't have a chance of getting elected. Why?

Because he's a moron who only appears sane compared to Bachman, Santorum and Gingrich.

[megabyteme]

Yeah, let's go hunt down some single mothers and slap the silver spoons right out of their mouths. Working 2 jobs, making $24K raising 2 kids, time to shove her off the lap of luxury. Then we could like hold her children's heads under water until she writes out a check for $4000 to the U.S. government, silly cunt trying to hoard her wealth. That'll teach her to vote for democrats.

Well said, Macky! It is about time someone stood up for the rich besides the mega-corps, and the looney. If whores like that could just keep their legs shut, the wealthy would be able to afford additional vacation houses, support additional mistresses (well, strike that one, right?), buy additional cars, and play more golf. You have any idea how stressful it must be having accountants find deductions for all those taxes they should be paying? Sad times. Sad times indeed...

[999969999]

Yeah, let's go hunt down some single mothers and slap the silver spoons right out of their mouths. Working 2 jobs, making $24K raising 2 kids, time to shove her off the lap of luxury. Then we could like hold her children's heads under water until she writes out a check for $4000 to the U.S. government, silly cunt trying to hoard her wealth. That'll teach her to vote for democrats.

Well said, Macky! It is about time someone stood up for the rich besides the mega-corps, and the looney. If whores like that could just keep their legs shut, the wealthy would be able to afford additional vacation houses, support additional mistresses (well, strike that one, right?), buy additional cars, and play more golf. You have any idea how stressful it must be having accountants find deductions for all those taxes they should be paying? Sad times. Sad times indeed...

And why shouldn't the wealthy want additional vacation houses?

What is the point of working hard and taking risks with our money if we don't get to spend it however we choose to spend it?

Why not just sit down on a sofa, watch t.v., and wait for the government to deposit money into our accounts each month?

And this is the problem with Socialism, just as the Soviet Union found out when they gave people no incentive to work hard, they did just enough to get by and coast, and their system collapsed around them.

Greed, whether you like it or not, is the natural state of man, and it is what propels the economy forward.

Well, that's all for now. I have to head back to Oregon and start studying for final exams.

[megabyteme]

And why shouldn't the wealthy want additional vacation houses?

What is the point of working hard and taking risks with our money if we don't get to spend it however we choose to spend it?

Why not just sit down on a sofa, watch t.v., and wait for the government to deposit money into our accounts each month?

And this is the problem with Socialism, just as the Soviet Union found out when they gave people no incentive to work hard, they did just enough to get by and coast, and their system collapsed around them.

Greed, whether you like it or not, is the natural state of man, and it is what propels the economy forward.

Well, that's all for now. I have to head back to Oregon and start studying for final exams.

I love the fact that you are so quick to lump yourself in with the rich. It's from your "hard work", right?

[mjmacky]

Speaking of which, has anyone ever made a movie of a dystopian future where only the rich and privileged survived?

[nntpjunkie]

This is my humble opinion and I am not trying to target or rile up any stanch Obama fans, but I believe that president Obama has proven at every turn lately that he is no longer fit to lead our great country. He is trying to and to some degree based on some of the statements in this thread, has succedded in dividing the people of the United States preaching his class warfare which is totally bollax when you think about what it actually means to be a truly free American. "Rich people" as some people say don't owe you or me a damn thing - they got rich because they got off their duff, were creative and took great risk and worked hard to create something, something that others wanted - like Steve Jobs - he became wealthy because he worked hard with many others to create great things like the MacBook Pro I am typing on. - He and Apple have made a huge contribution to our world in the field of technology so if he want's to spend his money on an extra house or a Golden toilet - he is damn well entitled to, he worked hard and did something amazing. As americans we all have the potential to do something great, we aren't entitled to take away from others who have worked to get where they are in life. What makes our country great is that we are free and we all have a right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness, according to our constitution and our founders no one else including our government has a right to take what you have earned. In the dramatic example of the Mom with 3 kids that was mentioned, if true liberty were upheld and abided by she would not have to give up a single penny because she would get to keep what she earned. The point is that it isn't that the "Rich People" should pay more - it's that no one should pay more. The government needs to stop spending the money we give them - that is our damn money, yours and mine. The Obama administration is like a teenager with an American Express Premiere Black card and they don't care how much of our money they spend because they know that unless you and me and the rest of country wakes up and remembers that it is "We the People" and NOT "We the Politicians" - they can and will just continue spending OUR Money with out a care in the world. Since our dollars value is falling and the Obama has spent over $4 TRILLION in less than 3 years, they now have resorted to class warfare saying that the fault lies on the American people and they have pitted the Rich against the Poor - I believe in Americans and I pray that we as a whole are not so slow and stupid as to believe such a crock of BS. I am not wealthy in money, but I am smart enough to know that we need the rich folks because they take the risk and build new things that we need (hospitals,malls,amusement parks,schools) - in short being able to become wealthy is what has made our country so great and if the government startes to take that wealth away and WASTE it as they are doing now - the wealthy will leave to spend their money more wisely to grow new things and if the government pushes them to leave then none of us will have anything in a very short time. If you care about the future of our country and the quality of life of your children or family, you would vote for Ron Paul - he does not believe in an income tax for anyone because he does not believe the government should run and ruin our lives. Ron believes that we as Americans are smart enough and capable enough to take care of ourselves and our families. Not trying to be dramatic, but if Obama get re-elected I truly fear for the future of America's growth and prosperity. They have to stop spending OUR money.

God Bless America!

[mjmacky]

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This is my humble opinion and I am not trying to target or rile up any stanch Obama fans, but I believe that president Obama has proven at every turn lately that he is no longer fit to lead our great country. He is trying to and to some degree based on some of the statements in this thread, has succedded in dividing the people of the United States preaching his class warfare which is totally bollax when you think about what it actually means to be a truly free American. "Rich people" as some people say don't owe you or me a damn thing - they got rich because they got off their duff, were creative and took great risk and worked hard to create something, something that others wanted - like Steve Jobs - he became wealthy because he worked hard with many others to create great things like the MacBook Pro I am typing on. - He and Apple have made a huge contribution to our world in the field of technology so if he want's to spend his money on an extra house or a Golden toilet - he is damn well entitled to, he worked hard and did something amazing. As americans we all have the potential to do something great, we aren't entitled to take away from others who have worked to get where they are in life. What makes our country great is that we are free and we all have a right to life,liberty and the pursuit of happiness, according to our constitution and our founders no one else including our government has a right to take what you have earned. In the dramatic example of the Mom with 3 kids that was mentioned, if true liberty were upheld and abided by she would not have to give up a single penny because she would get to keep what she earned. The point is that it isn't that the "Rich People" should pay more - it's that no one should pay more. The government needs to stop spending the money we give them - that is our damn money, yours and mine. The Obama administration is like a teenager with an American Express Premiere Black card and they don't care how much of our money they spend because they know that unless you and me and the rest of country wakes up and remembers that it is "We the People" and NOT "We the Politicians" - they can and will just continue spending OUR Money with out a care in the world. Since our dollars value is falling and the Obama has spent over $4 TRILLION in less than 3 years, they now have resorted to class warfare saying that the fault lies on the American people and they have pitted the Rich against the Poor - I believe in Americans and I pray that we as a whole are not so slow and stupid as to believe such a crock of BS. I am not wealthy in money, but I am smart enough to know that we need the rich folks because they take the risk and build new things that we need (hospitals,malls,amusement parks,schools) - in short being able to become wealthy is what has made our country so great and if the government startes to take that wealth away and WASTE it as they are doing now - the wealthy will leave to spend their money more wisely to grow new things and if the government pushes them to leave then none of us will have anything in a very short time. If you care about the future of our country and the quality of life of your children or family, you would vote for Ron Paul - he does not believe in an income tax for anyone because he does not believe the government should run and ruin our lives. Ron believes that we as Americans are smart enough and capable enough to take care of ourselves and our families. Not trying to be dramatic, but if Obama get re-elected I truly fear for the future of America's growth and prosperity. They have to stop spending OUR money.

God Bless American!

Holy fuck dude please break your wall of text into discrete paragraphs. I'm one of the last people to complain about the length of a post, but even I had to stop reading once I realized your first few lines weren't leading to any kind of interesting point.

Also, "god bless america" negates any post, so "god bless american" negates it to the 3rd power.

[Skiz]

Still doing well. Romney moves to 3rd.

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.co...gop-candidate/

[nntpjunkie]

Holy fuck dude please break your wall of text into discrete paragraphs. I'm one of the last people to complain about the length of a post
Also, "god bless america" negates any post, so "god bless american" negates it to the 3rd power.

Sorry, not a grammar major - just got on a rant about the truth and couldn't stop Hopefully the way Obama is trying to deceive everyone is not lost on everybody.

[zot]

A truly principled person like Ron Paul who rails against the evils of the establishment rather than working from within it, will always have an enormous uphill battle simply because they make too many enemies of people in high places, including the mainstream media, which is an integrated part of this established 'system' and seeks to preserve the status quo for their own self-interest.

Did anyone watch his interview with Bob Schieffer on CBS's "Face the Nation" a couple of weeks ago?

Bob Schieffer, like most traditional mainstream journalists, has always been a pathetic boot-licker all his career when dealing with any "mainstream" politicians, whether Republican or Democrat. Yet when he interviewed Ron Paul, he interrupted him constantly, tried to put words in his mouth, and basically showed utter contempt if not outright hatred for him. (At least the Fox News attack dogs like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity treat a full half of all politicians that way.) The media constantly repeats the message that he is a "fringe candidate" and has "no chance of winning" -- terms that are never applied to anyone else, no matter how unpopular they might be. With the corporate media against him, the only place where Ron Paul can get anything even approaching fair treatment is the internet.

Perhaps the biggest problem is that very few people are independent thinkers. Most will allow themselves to be led by the media subliminally telling who to vote for. A good example of this is the way the Republican candidates go up and down in the polls so quickly and dramatically, ostensibly as a direct result of positive/negative press coverage.

I disagree with some of the 'class-warfare' arguments here, I think one reason many wealthy Americans would fight Ron Paul tooth-and-nail is because so many of them make their fortunes by sucking off the teats of Big Government.

Ron Paul has the nerve to chastise the "military industrial(/security) complex" which since at least WWII has been one of the most profitable and lucrative industries in the country - which should not be surprising since it's an industry that does not even operate in any sort of free market system. To me it seems rather odd that a country surrounded by friendly, military-weak neighbors, which has never lost a war or been occupied since its founding, is so terrified that it needs to spend more on military "defense" than the other 200 nations of the world combined -- even when nearly all the countries in the world could be considered friendly allies. But maybe that only shows how effective the MIC's fear-mongering campaign has been.

I hate to think that I could have bought a new car with my share of the money the Iraq war cost taxpayers -- had it never happened. And Ron Paul was one of the very few people in Washington who had the courage to be skeptical of Bush's "weapons of mass destruction" claims: lies that were thoroughly deconstructed in the foreign press and the internet yet never questioned by the American MSM.