Why isn't Ron Paul doing better?

[999969999]

And you think Cuba or North Korea would be better than the United States?

I'm sure they have room for one more person like you.

So the only non-capitalist countries are Cuba and N. Korea? And viewpoints contrary to capitalism aren't allowed in your version of America?

School doesn't seem to be rubbing off on you, 9's...

Come on! Comrade Macky is so obviously a commie. He may deny it, but in the immortal words of Chip Kelly: "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a god damned duck!"

I'm merely saying he might feel more comfortable surrounded by his own kind in some place like Cuba or North Korea, since their system of government is so much better than ours, in his mind anyways.

[mjmacky]

I was pretty certain I got to a point about lobbying and this style of governing giving license to fuck a fool or twenty at the end.
P.S. I'm not the state > federal guy
I'm the fuck the capitalist government guy.

And you think Cuba or North Korea would be better than the United States?

I'm sure they have room for one more person like you.

The U.S. government is subject to measures by corporate interests in where policy making is aimed at capitalist priorities. The Chinese government is currently operating in similar fashion, and they're supposedly a communist state. I am not against a capitalist economy, just against their involvement in government. I also think communism can work for some nations, depending on their population and situation with natural resources, primary production, and labor markets. I don't think communism would work in the U.S. However, I do feel that since government is in essence a socialist enterprise, there's plenty of room for socialist policy in every nation, and the U.S. could use a little more of that.

[mjmacky]

Come on! Comrade Macky is so obviously a commie. He may deny it, but in the immortal words of Chip Kelly: "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a god damned duck!"

I'm merely saying he might feel more comfortable surrounded by his own kind in some place like Cuba or North Korea, since their system of government is so much better than ours, in his mind anyways.

I feel so many more systems of governance are better than the that of the U.S., but when have I ever listed oppression as anything other than a major con? It seems to fit your current motif over mine.

[999969999]

So, you don't oppose capitalism, but the government's role in it, right?

I can agree with that.

Capitalism didn't fail us. We failed it.

We let the government get in its way.

We should have never done any bail outs of anyone-- Wall Street, GM, etc.

We should have let them all file bankruptcy.

And we shouldn't have required banks to lend to people who obviously couldn't afford to pay back their mortgages. We should let the banks decide who they will or will not loan money to based on credit worthiness and their ability to repay the loans, and then when the banks make a risky decision and it blows up in their face, they have to eat it instead of coming to us (the taxpayers) and expecting to be bailed out. They would be much more careful about who they loaned money to, and this huge real estate bubble would never have even happened.

[mjmacky]

Other way around, capitalism interfered with government, even though it already benefits from it, it decided to take more, slowly eating away the barrier that keeps it from consuming itself. I wouldn't have minded if all the banks and major businesses crashed and sucked down the entire U.S. economy with it, it's the kind of catalyst we'd need to build up something smarter. However, it was the smarter move of government and business alike to bail them out, in both of their interests of self-preservation.

[megabyteme]

Capitalism didn't fail us. We failed it.

Capitalism STRONGLY favors (to the point of sheer disgusting disproportion) those who inherit wealth.

I can't say I feel sorry for "failing" capitalism. Capitalism fails the masses- who work endlessly for very little, on a daily basis.

[bigboab]

So, you don't oppose capitalism, but the government's role in it, right?

I can agree with that.

Capitalism didn't fail us. We failed it.

We let the government get in its way.

We should have never done any bail outs of anyone-- Wall Street, GM, etc.

We should have let them all file bankruptcy.

And we shouldn't have required banks to lend to people who obviously couldn't afford to pay back their mortgages. We should let the banks decide who they will or will not loan money to based on credit worthiness and their ability to repay the loans, and then when the banks make a risky decision and it blows up in their face, they have to eat it instead of coming to us (the taxpayers) and expecting to be bailed out. They would be much more careful about who they loaned money to, and this huge real estate bubble would never have even happened.

What happens when the banks go down? Does this mean that all their investors/gamblers lose all their money too? Sound like a Democratic/Socialist view of things. Nice to see that 'paid for' education is getting through to you 69.

[999969999]

So, you don't oppose capitalism, but the government's role in it, right?

I can agree with that.

Capitalism didn't fail us. We failed it.

We let the government get in its way.

We should have never done any bail outs of anyone-- Wall Street, GM, etc.

We should have let them all file bankruptcy.

And we shouldn't have required banks to lend to people who obviously couldn't afford to pay back their mortgages. We should let the banks decide who they will or will not loan money to based on credit worthiness and their ability to repay the loans, and then when the banks make a risky decision and it blows up in their face, they have to eat it instead of coming to us (the taxpayers) and expecting to be bailed out. They would be much more careful about who they loaned money to, and this huge real estate bubble would never have even happened.

What happens when the banks go down? Does this mean that all their investors/gamblers lose all their money too? Sound like a Democratic/Socialist view of things. Nice to see that 'paid for' education is getting through to you 69.

Hey! You're back!

If that is their view of it, then it that one particular instance, I agree with them.

In pure capitalism, with no help and no hindrance from the government, yes, when the banks fail due to giving loans to people who can't afford to pay them back, then the investors/gamblers would all lose their money.

I'll bet the investors would make sure that the banks stopped giving risky loans to people who obviously could not afford to pay them back, and they would want realistic appraisals of the homes and land upon which the loans were made.

I would not have any rules, regulations, or laws for the banks-- let them do whatever they want to do, and take on as much risk as they feel they can handle, but when it blows up in the faces from unwise investments and schemes, they would know that no one is going to bail them out. They would just have to file bankruptcy. Just like everybody else.

And yes, when I graduate from college, I will not have any student loans to pay back, because my tuition and college expenses are being paid in full right now. That is the way to live your life-- don't go into debt. Pay as you go. This is something the United States needs to learn. Stop spending more money than you take in.

[999969999]

Capitalism didn't fail us. We failed it.

Capitalism STRONGLY favors (to the point of sheer disgusting disproportion) those who inherit wealth.

I can't say I feel sorry for "failing" capitalism. Capitalism fails the masses- who work endlessly for very little, on a daily basis.

Hmmm... I wonder if that is why I like capitalism so much?

Capitalism worked very well for most of this country's existence, and is only having trouble now because it has become entangled in the web of the federal and state governments.

It's time for some pruning, and I think the sleeping giant is waking up and is going to break free from all of this. The scales are falling off of peoples' eyes now.

[999969999]

However, it was the smarter move of government and business alike to bail them out, in both of their interests of self-preservation.

Why am I not surprised that you seem to be saying that you think the bailout was right?