Chaps From Vegetaria.

[hobbes]

@LTJBukem

Originally posted by J'Pol@15 November 2003 - 23:42
Linda

It is your decision what you do with your life and how you chose to lead it. More power to you for taking such a strong position and defending it so well.

What about feeding pets tho' do you have a policy on that. Liam has told us that his (sister's) dog is fed meat, tho' he personally would not do so if he had the choice.

Yeah, poor Summerlinda had to defend herself against this.

Again, had you really actually read the thread, you might have picked up on this.


And, of course my vicious attack:

Linda,

Don't you see that my post supported what you do 100%. I hope you are reading posts with a your mind open to enlightenment, rather than skimming posts thinking about how to defend your point.

I am here to state my position and support it with evidence, but I am also here to see if someone might be able to show me that I am misguided.


From Hobbes 1st post:

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As to the philsophy that people refuse to eat certain meats because the animal was raised in a cruel manner to preserve "tenderness" and such, I laud you for this. One of the problems of a capitalist system is that ranchers are all competing to get the most payback for their limited resources, so they confine their animals and pump them full of steroids and antibiotics. This is where society must step in and set the bar for what type of treatment is allowable and create agencies to enforce these guidelines. 




What you are doing IS un-natural, but since you have the luxury of an abundant food source, your health will not suffer and your conscience will be appeased.

All of this was posted before you joined in.
Nice try though.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by summerlinda+16 November 2003 - 02:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (summerlinda &#064; 16 November 2003 - 02:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by hobbes@16 November 2003 - 02:38
<!--QuoteBegin-summerlinda

@16 November 2003 - 02:17

If you were to take a closed experimental ecosystem in which the calories available were exactly sufficient for survival and add a group of vegetarians, you would come back later to find everyone dead.

Why would those vegetarians eat all those plants which could have been better utilized by the herbivores. They wasted so many calories, which could have been saved, that everyone starved. Not natural.

Vegetarians do drink milk, eat eggs etc, so that example makes no sense...

Do eggs not come from abused chickens and milk from abused cows? Sort of contradicts your whole stance against animal cruelty.

No, a "good" vegetarian eats freeland eggs and drinks freeland milk [biological / animal friendly][/b][/quote]
But your entire stance was against animal cruelty.

So why should you not eat meat from "freeland chickens", it costs a little more, but it is on the label.

And I have first hand knowledge of cows who have been raised kindly. Why can we not eat them. Slaughtering a cow is not like leading a prisoner to the excecution chamber. They really are clueless and are dead within a fraction of a second, if done right.

You are confusing me as to why you are a vegetarian. You start out with cruelty issues, then meander off.

[summerlinda]

Originally posted by HeavyMetalParkingLot+16 November 2003 - 02:47--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HeavyMetalParkingLot @ 16 November 2003 - 02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by summerlinda@16 November 2003 - 01:46

Originally posted by hobbes@16 November 2003 - 02:38
<!--QuoteBegin-summerlinda

@16 November 2003 - 02:17

If you were to take a closed experimental ecosystem in which the calories available were exactly sufficient for survival and add a group of vegetarians, you would come back later to find everyone dead.

Why would those vegetarians eat all those plants which could have been better utilized by the herbivores. They wasted so many calories, which could have been saved, that everyone starved. Not natural.

Vegetarians do drink milk, eat eggs etc, so that example makes no sense...

Do eggs not come from abused chickens and milk from abused cows? Sort of contradicts your whole stance against animal cruelty.

No, a "good" vegetarian eats freeland eggs and drinks freeland milk [biological / animal friendly]

vegans do not eat eggs, drink milk, ect, ect, or wear clothing made from leather or fur [/b][/quote]
Stay out of it fucknut...

I edited it just for you

[j2k4]

Originally posted by clocker@15 November 2003 - 21:47
I won&#39;t even ask how you discovered that your cat like Frosted Flakes and cake j2, ( a combination that would gag all but an eight year old... They&#39;re greeeaaatttt&#33;), but I look forward to a demonstration in a few weeks...

My neighbor&#39;s dog Scooby, who I take care of frequently, is very fond of celery. My theory is that it reminds him of the crunching bones of prey in his far distant doggie past.
Or maybe he&#39;s just fey.

Celery would certainly make a fey bone.

I suggest to you your neighbor&#39;s dog may be homophobic.

[clocker]

I see you are dancing around the question of how your cat came to fed such a bizarre diet, j2.

Perhaps a call to the ASPCA is in order?

[LTJBukem]

@hobbes

Nice try???

Am i competing with someone? Are you&#33;&#33;&#33;

Crikey

Originally posted by summerlinda defending her lifestyle
I think people treat animals cruel, than eat them, and thats just plain wrong.
1 little thing i can do about that is stop eating meat and battery eggs etc, so i will.
I would give my life if all animal cruelty would stop forever, i know its easy saying because its not going to happen, but i would.

Its everybody&#39;s own choice, but dont say its unhealthy, because thats not true, and vegetarians are the living examples of that.

I just hope that if people chose to eat meat, they will eat "animal friendly meat" Wouldnt you feel better if you knew that the pig you are eating had a nice life?
Those biological / animal friendly farmers need money too, so why not support them?

I also donate money too an organisation that promotes alternative animal testing for medicin etc, its all ican do, but i&#39;m doing it, at least i try making a difference.

Now you can all shoot me with your big ass English vocabulairs, and come with more scientific prove and what not, i dont care, i can go to sleep with the thought that i was not 100% responsible for ending the life another cruel treated animal.

[summerlinda]

Originally posted by hobbes+16 November 2003 - 02:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hobbes @ 16 November 2003 - 02:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by summerlinda@16 November 2003 - 02:46

Originally posted by hobbes@16 November 2003 - 02:38
<!--QuoteBegin-summerlinda

@16 November 2003 - 02:17

If you were to take a closed experimental ecosystem in which the calories available were exactly sufficient for survival and add a group of vegetarians, you would come back later to find everyone dead.

Why would those vegetarians eat all those plants which could have been better utilized by the herbivores. They wasted so many calories, which could have been saved, that everyone starved. Not natural.

Vegetarians do drink milk, eat eggs etc, so that example makes no sense...

Do eggs not come from abused chickens and milk from abused cows? Sort of contradicts your whole stance against animal cruelty.

No, a "good" vegetarian eats freeland eggs and drinks freeland milk [biological / animal friendly]

But your entire stance was against animal cruelty.

So why should you not eat meat from "freeland chickens", it costs a little more, but it is on the label.

And I have first hand knowledge of cows who have been raised kindly. Why can we not eat them. Slaughtering a cow is not like leading a prisoner to the excecution chamber. They really are clueless and are dead within a fraction of a second, if done right.

You are confusing me as to why you are a vegetarian. You start out with cruelty issues, then meander off. [/b][/quote]
I like to be a vegetarian, yes. That takes away the killing.

I like the whole world to be, but i understand its not going to happen.

So second best is eating "animal fiendly" meat, eggs, milk etc.
That takes away [part of] the animal abuse.

But its not going to happen either because most people just dont care, thats the point.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by LTJBukem+16 November 2003 - 03:07--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LTJBukem @ 16 November 2003 - 03:07)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> @hobbes

Nice try???

Am i competing with someone? Are you&#33;&#33;&#33;

Crikey

<!--QuoteBegin-summerlinda defending her lifestyle
I think people treat animals cruel, than eat them, and thats just plain wrong.
1 little thing i can do about that is stop eating meat and battery eggs etc, so i will.
I would give my life if all animal cruelty would stop forever, i know its easy saying because its not going to happen, but i would.

Its everybody&#39;s own choice, but dont say its unhealthy, because thats not true, and vegetarians are the living examples of that.

I just hope that if people chose to eat meat, they will eat "animal friendly meat" Wouldnt you feel better if you knew that the pig you are eating had a nice life?
Those biological / animal friendly farmers need money too, so why not support them?

I also donate money too an organisation that promotes alternative animal testing for medicin etc, its all ican do, but i&#39;m doing it, at least i try making a difference.

Now you can all shoot me with your big ass English vocabulairs, and come with more scientific prove and what not, i dont care, i can go to sleep with the thought that i was not 100% responsible for ending the life another cruel treated animal.

[/b][/quote]
I like your hat.

[J'Pol]

Deflection and cheap point scoring, rather than discussing the issues and dealing with what people actually said.

That seems oddly familiar. I have to agree with hobbes and suggest that you read the posts and respond to them.

[LTJBukem]

But your entire stance was against animal cruelty.

So why should you not eat meat from "freeland chickens", it costs a little more, but it is on the label.

And I have first hand knowledge of cows who have been raised kindly. Why can we not eat them. Slaughtering a cow is not like leading a prisoner to the excecution chamber. They really are clueless and are dead within a fraction of a second, if done right.

You are confusing me as to why you are a vegetarian. You start out with cruelty issues, then meander off.

Erm.... you are desperate to prove something here, aren&#39;t you. Obviously, summerlinda is satisfied that said chickens and cows are not treated cruelly.

What is confusing you exactly?

Why can&#39;t you just accept that she doesn&#39;t want to eat meat?