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@zot - This is the first place that came to mind, I would have thought you would have seen it already....Originally Posted by zot
Unlike the infamous HideMyAss incident, I've not seen a single instance of anyone complaining of being "outed" or "reported" by Giganews/VyperVPN, so please provide a link to this damning evidence to back up your accusation, if you wouldn't mind.
What I have seen, however, are user reports of Giganews cutting off service -or threatening to- for people who torrent and get their [*logged* by Giganews] VPN's IP address nailed by the copyright cops. But getting an internal reprimand is completely different from being ratted-out, as you seem to be claiming.
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Maybe you would not consider it being outed, but if Giganews is acknowledging your ip was involved with an upload/download incident because of information they were provided from law enforcement, I think we can both agree that the very nature of that act shows that Giganews (VyperVPn) has no intention of fighting for or keeping your downloading/uploading private over their VPN - internal reprimand or no, I sure as heck wouldn't trust them - in case you haven't forgotten they are supposed to be a VPN service after all.
Last edited by nntpjunkie; 02-03-2012 at 04:49 PM.
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i second that.they are supposed to be a VPN service after all.
if i needed a vpn i would go for something from Sweden. Anonine, perhaps.
Last edited by Hypatia; 02-03-2012 at 07:02 PM.
I had long ago read the discussion on the link you provided above (as well as the same subject posted in other forums) but that's an entirely different issue. And no, I don't agree with you at all.@zot - This is the first place that came to mind, I would have thought you would have seen it already....
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Maybe you would not consider it being outed, but if Giganews is acknowledging your ip was involved with an upload/download incident because of information they were provided from law enforcement, I think we can both agree that the very nature of that act shows that Giganews (VyperVPn) has no intention of fighting for or keeping your downloading/uploading private over their VPN - internal reprimand or no, I sure as heck wouldn't trust them - in case you haven't forgotten they are supposed to be a VPN service after all.
There's a big difference between keeping records and actually releasing them. That's not to say that a determined foe with deep pockets won't eventually prevail in getting subscribers' identities from Giganews, but if anything, recent history has shown that there has been a wide range regarding how hard a provider will fight to protect the rights and privacy of its customers.
When the RIAA lawsuit campaign started back in 2003, some ISP's immediately coughed up all their customers' identities upon demand (to a private, non-government entity, no less!) without even asking for a court order. Other companies fought back hard to defend their customers rights . One notable defender of consumer rights, Verizon, waged an all-out battle with the RIAA legal machine, at considerable expense, taking it all the way to the Supreme court.
How Giganews would handle a similar situation has yet to be tested, but it's a gross distortion - if not an outright lie - to claim that Giganews has actually turned over customer identities to copyright claimants, when all Giganews did was forward emailed complaints and cancel accounts of repeat offenders (as the DMCA requires).
That being said, I think it would have been stupid for any torrenter to have trusted Giganews' VPN to mask his identity-- even before the recent fiasco. A VPN has many uses, and let's not forget that the VPN was never originally designed as an anonymity service -- that "side benefit" came out many years later. One primary value of having a Giganews VPN might be to access services like NetFlix from outside the USA -- rather than bittorrent anonymity. Like Highwinds, Giganews owns millions of dollars of property in the US, and you can bet it will be a cold day in Hell before they'd do anything to risk losing it.
Last edited by zot; 02-05-2012 at 01:50 PM.
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Lets be honest here.nd cancel accounts of repeat offenders
1)They THRIVE on "copyright infringement". They know perfectly well where the vast majority of their profits come from and why lots of people pay for this service. DOnt even mention non-binaries.
2) There is no way for a third party to determine whether a particular offender had ones account cancelled or not because of the way usenet works.
Ergo, there is totally no need fo GN to kill the hen that lays golden eggs for this type of "misconduct".
International copyright mafia ring wouldnt be ableto get a single piece of evidence whatsoever that could prove(the way it would stand in court) that GN did or did not cancell " offenders' " accounts
Removing content based on DMCA requests? Well, ok.
Driving away paying customers for nothing that can be proven? Go to hell then and die in piss,blood and shit
PS Instead of focusing on the lame MIMO, crappy VPN and such like greedy bastards should have introduced a VIP Upgrade for their top plan - "Mr.Anonymous" . Messages sent would have no x-trace embedded.
Last edited by Hypatia; 02-05-2012 at 04:16 PM.
I agree. All usenet providers know exactly what services they are providing. Its a fine line between appeasing greedy corporations and making money. Very fine.
Do they really know what percentage of subscriber downloads are infringing materials?
They could easily find out, of course (by logging downloads, surveying customers, etc) but privacy considerations aside, they don't know because they definitely DON'T WANT TO KNOW. Simply having that knowledge --and doing nothing about it-- could get them in a lot of trouble. (just ask the Pirate Bay's moneyman Carl Lundström!) So as far as any provider is concerned, they will have to assume that most customers are downloading Linux releases and other legal authorized material (hey, it's possible!).
The RIAA's method of nailing Usenet.com was to have undercover investigators subscribe to the service and ask customer support techs for help in doing illegal things.
The copyright cops could also test Giganews' repeat-infringer cancellation policy in similar fashion by posing as warez-uploading customers. Since there's no way to tell the real customers from the spies, to be 100% safe, Giganews must treat every single customer as if he/she were a RIAA/MPAA/FBI mole collecting incriminating evidence for a planned lawsuit --or worse.
Last edited by zot; 02-07-2012 at 07:36 AM.
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its illegal. ANd they will be forced to reveal the source of their information if defenders know what they are doing. And it wouldnt really matter if it was their worker or a guy they knew , they were acting in collusion in order to commit a crime. its a perfect opportunity to explose their criminal activity and re-examine all their previous cases. and then arrest all their assets(those millions they extorted from innocent people)
Use VPN's that don't log like Nvpn, Mullvad etc.
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