Purchasing a computer system

[Artemis]

This is a public forum cock knocker so I was stating it for posterity, and yes public trackers are very much needed for the great unwashed, the very same people who didn't know to backup the system when they first purchased it. When your PC commits hara kiri fishing around for an invite to a private tracker isn't exactly going to be top of your priority list now is it?

So it was like what I just said exactly word for word?

Also, I meant tracker in the truest sense of the word, the system that actually does all the tracker business, with no affiliated website (or if there is an affiliated website, it just announces they're a public tracker). That's why I gave examples. The reason I was wondering is that's how I used to fileshare mid-sized to larger files in local circles. On the rarer occasions that I do share nowadays, DDL filehosting seems to work sufficiently. I was just thinking that since the last time I've used a public tracker like publicbt, has all that DHT and peer discovery crap evolved to the point of near self-sustenance?

I thought my insult was more original.

Where exactly did you say anything exactly word for word with what I said in that inanity you babbled anyway?

Personally I try and stay very, very, very far away from the mosh pit's that are public bt trackers, if you read back, I was trying to explain from the perspective of ma and pa kettle when they discover the demise of their operating system and then if they are smart enough to head for the forums find someone helpful enough to suggest downloading from the intertubes. Unfortunately if they don't have that nouse they end up getting scalped for the price of the recovery system from the ever helpful support dickheads at the other end of the telephone in the call center in India or the Philippines or wherever it is currently cheapest for big companies to farm out support contracts.

[mjmacky]

I'm certain we are not talking about the same thing. There's a reason I wasn't putting a space between public and bt and specifically referring to publicbt. It's not something you are supposed to know, but it's been a useful method.

[junglebook]

http://www.ebuyer.com/

[Chewie]

http://www.ebuyer.com/

Wow! a 40+ post dickwad.

What the fuck are you talking about? You don't get value for money when you buy a box product; you get an underperforming, overbloated COA-linked-to-your-motherboard computer from a company whose support all too frequently consists of "pave and nuke - sorry you've lost all your data, sir."

You know there was a time in the U.S. when it was actually cheaper to buy a complete branded system. It was strange because it was a middle age period for home computing prices. Here's the map of the prices as produced from my faulty memory.

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Yes, some of the boxes appear to be value-for-money as far as specs go, but utilising integrated graphics, badly designed motherboards, cheap components and 30-day trials of system-hogging bloatware pretty much negate the advertised features. So many box buyers don't appreciate that an i5, 4GB RAM and 1TB does not automatically equal good preformance.
I wonder haw many Apple fan-boys realise the disdain with which Foxconn products are viewed by those that know about quality PC components.

It gets better Chewie, the vendors, Dell, HP etc. used to provide at least a CD/DVD image to do the aforementioned nuke, now you are expected to create a recovery set yourself as a customer. For most people this is put in the I'll do it later basket, and when they REALLY need the recovery set, it is too late, the system is already unstable. At this point the vendor informs you that you can pay for a copy of the image, I deal with this all the time with both Dell and HP. If there was the ability to reach through the phone to choke the living shit out of the sanctimonious smile on the other end I would happily do so, because for the average consumer there is virtually no explanation about this, malware/virus infections trash the system and they are left with the expense of someone doing both the data retrieval and the cost of purchasing the backup image, a cost here in New Zealand of between $65-$95 plus shipping. It is an out and out rip off!

Yeah I was a bit cheesed off when I found Toshiba did the same for my Equium (or The Quim as I call it). Fortunately, I had made use of the feature before the hard drive in it went wobbly.
Got a compaq with a DC jack problem the other day and was pleasantly surprised to find OEM re-installation media in the bag with it.

[Artemis]

Wow! a 40+ post dickwad.

A short history of junglebook. He turned up with some weird crusade about childpornography in the lounge but had taken too much medication that week and didn't make much sense. Everyone made not so gentle suggestions about going and playing under a bus etc., so eventually he switched over to angry spamtard mode and got walloped with a 2 day disablement. Since then he has come back, still pissed and randomly posts shite, then buggers off again. I personally now treat him like a mushroom and leave him in the dark, it's better that way.......

[Chewie]

Wow! a 40+ post dickwad.

I personally now treat him like a mushroom and leave him in the dark, it's better that way.......

Sounds like a plan.

[mjmacky]

Yes, some of the boxes appear to be value-for-money as far as specs go, but utilising integrated graphics, badly designed motherboards, cheap components and 30-day trials of system-hogging bloatware pretty much negate the advertised features. So many box buyers don't appreciate that an i5, 4GB RAM and 1TB does not automatically equal good preformance.
I wonder haw many Apple fan-boys realise the disdain with which Foxconn products are viewed by those that know about quality PC components.

I don't think most Apple fan-boys know what a computer component is, at least not until a marketing exec decides to tell them about it. I don't know if we're approaching the age of complete systems becoming cheaper than their DIY counterparts, but it has all reached a price point where it doesn't even matter (the prices won't be too steep and the difference will be small). The only problem for most consumers now is knowing what's good, what's shit, and what combinations work. For instance, RAM <--> motherboard compatibility is still a very real issue.

[megabyteme]

I've been wondering how long it will be before small form factors (specifically netbooks, tablets, and handhelds) wipe out home/business PCs with the exception of specific use (gaming, network hubs, 3D render farms, video editing).

I can do most any troubleshooting/repair on a PC. What can be done on those smaller, portable devices is limited. I feel like a portion of my skill set is nearing obsolescence.

[bijoy]

I think Hardforum, ocn or many other forum like that would have been more appropriate place for this kind of discussion.

[Artemis]

I think Hardforum, ocn or many other forum like that would have been more appropriate place for this kind of discussion.

And I'm sure when you become a team member on this forum your thoughts on what is appropriate will actually hold some weight.