What P2p Programme Do You Use Most?!

**Mihkel** · 12-11-2003, 09:41 PM

where is dc++ in that list? i cant vote!
1. DC++
2. K-Lite
3. ICQ heh-heh..

**{I}{K}{E}** · 12-11-2003, 09:58 PM

K-lite
mIRC
Bittorent

**thisiswhoweare** · 12-11-2003, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by tralalala@11 December 2003 - 20:07
hey, why call em (your skills) that?! you have skills, thats something to be proud of. i wish i had those skills.. lol

tralalala

p.s: i can barely use HTML...

calling it as i see it

gotta get back to C now.

for hand in tomorrow.

**Switeck** · 12-12-2003, 04:59 AM

Brutal p2p network breakdown:

BitTorrent isn't even a network, so it's out of the question even though it's very useful for really big files. Also, it works by using trackers which work both ways -- not only connecting people to each other to get files but (with the experimental BitTorrent versions) logging those connections. BitTorrent is simply transparent when it comes to being monitored. Bit Torrent has one advantage -- I don't think it will die easily. It's already TOO popular. And it cannot be destroyed in the typical sense because it is NOT a network -- it is only a distribution scheme. Any website sharing 'questionable' material can be shut down, but BT itself is squeaky clean.

Direct Connect (and DC++) has some good abilities, but its strength is also its weakness -- it creates private networks by design which do not scale into the millions (to my knowledge.)

Gnutella is worthy of note because it is neglected as a 'serious' network anymore, despite the fact it has advanced immensely since its initial concept. Kazaa is BASED on it, but stagnated -- so Gnutella v0.6 protocol has surpassed it and CAN scale indefinitely at the price of only a 'window' of the network (about 10,000 to 100,000 computers) can be scanned at a time.

Shareaza (Gnutella 2) has some minor advances over Gnutella 1 and connects to multiple networks, but the price for extra connectivity is extra bandwidth useage just when sitting idle. It's a cool program, but even the experts don't know how to get the most out of it yet. Shareaza is a weird bird in all regards -- it connects to multiple networks: Gnutella 1, Gnutella 2 (which the Gnutella 1 developers call Mike's Protocol because they feel like it is a hostile bastardization of Gnutella 1 designed only to destroy Gnutella 1 but without many new innovations), E-mule, and BitTorrent. However, this comes at a price -- extra bandwidth used and stability. It has a lone developer, who is very eccentric and hates BearShare's CEO and head programmer (BearShare is a Gnutella 1 only app) with a passion -- the feeling's mutual and it threatens to destroy both networks at times, as they've taken out their grevances by blocking each other's program in multiple versions.

WinMX, I don't know how it's doing, but I've heard (and seen once when I tried briefly to use it) that it is the network of perpetual queues. You might be in queued position 100+ for a file that'd likely take 4 hours to download if started now. Given even that the 'average' file that source is uploading only takes 1 hour instead of 4, that's a 100 hour constant wait. That is not workable.

E-mule may have the same problem, and I know it also has forced sharing of files. What's more, just like Kazaa's PL system, if you're not uploading at at least 10 KB/sec then your download speed/s will suck. It's favoritism, which is ok in small doses, but in extremes makes a network unworkable. I'm pretty sure it has partial file sharing, but that's a moot point (even a BAD thing) for small files.

The lowest bandwidth-use network seems to be E-mule (from what I've been told) or Gnutella using BearShare or Shareaza in leaf mode (or like I do often -- no hosts connections at all.) Uses less than 1 kilobit/sec on average. (It'd have to be >8x that to equal 1 KB/sec overhead.) This is GOOD for 56k's and broadband alike, because it means less bandwidth is wasted on excessive connectivity for no net gains.

**thisiswhoweare** · 12-12-2003, 06:21 AM

ok to clear things up....emule does not have forced sharing. Users can share or unshare whatever files, but doing so will mean you dont get credit.
It does have partial sharing which allows others to download from you when a chunk has been completed.

If your not upload at 10KB, then your download will be ratioed down. But the download speed would still be pretty decent.

**guit_steel** · 12-12-2003, 11:52 AM

...if you're not uploading at at least 10 KB/sec then your download speed/s will suck. It's favoritism...

Sharing 10 KB/s is favoritism? How many KB/s are u taking off the network? Sorry, but looking to max one's dl speed and min one's ul speed is not my idea of sharing. If u ask me, it's borderline leeching.

Personally, I set my ul to 80% of capacity which is above 10 KB/s. Except for those still using dial-up, I don't understand this being unreasonable. Even so I believe the Plus ratio is 1:4 (other eMule versions may differ), so if u only limit ur ul to 5 KB/s, u will still be allowed to dl 20 KB/s. This is unfair? C'mon.

**tralalala** · 12-12-2003, 02:36 PM

hey thisiswhoweare, what are you handing in? or have you handed it in allready? if its something for a grade of somesort, i wish you luck!!

tralalala

**thisiswhoweare** · 12-12-2003, 03:23 PM

my assignment for one of my modules at university.

was up all night and dont think i'll get more than 10%. Glad that my holidays officially began as soon as i handed them in...shame ive got 3 other assignments to worry over now.

Appreciate the good luck.

guess i'll start on them tomorrow.

**tralalala** · 12-13-2003, 02:20 PM

hey mate, the thing is you should enjoy your studying while you still can, i guess thats why you chose it?? cos you thought you would enjoy it!! so do so!!! if not, youll just pressure yourself, and by doing that your works quality will go down...

still, im sure you know this, and im sure youll get a pretty good grade (keep us all updated

)

tralalala