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    I'm going to make it easier for comrade Macky, and just get to the point:

    "As Mr. Obama was making a statement from the Rose Garden about a new immigration policy on Friday afternoon, a reporter from The Daily Caller, a conservative news Web site, repeatedly raised his voice and tried to interrupt. The reporter, Neil Munro, tried to ask whether the policy — intended to help young illegal immigrants get work — was good for legal American workers...

    Mr. President, why do you favor foreign workers over Americans?


    I would love to hear the president answer that question, but of course, he ignored it, which is typical of liberals.


    At a time of high unemployment, why is it "the right thing to do" to allow 800,000 people who are here illegally to now legally start looking for jobs.


    I often wonder why Mexican-American citizens of the U.S. would like such policies. It really does nothing but hurt them. They now have to compete with 800,000 new competitors for the same number of jobs.



    For the rest of you, here's the full quote:

    "The interruption stunned White House correspondents and television viewers. And it clearly surprised President Obama, too.

    As Mr. Obama was making a statement from the Rose Garden about a new immigration policy on Friday afternoon, a reporter from The Daily Caller, a conservative news Web site, repeatedly raised his voice and tried to interrupt. The reporter, Neil Munro, tried to ask whether the policy — intended to help young illegal immigrants get work — was good for legal American workers.

    “Excuse me, sir,” Mr. Obama said when Mr. Munro initially spoke up. He put his hand in the air and raised a finger, as if to say “wait.”

    “It’s not time for questions, sir,” Mr. Obama continued. “Not while I’m speaking.”

    A few minutes later, Mr. Obama referenced the incident by saying, “And the answer to your question, sir, and the next time I’d prefer you let me finish my statements before you ask that question, is this is the right thing to do for the American people.”

    Mr. Munro then apparently interrupted again.

    “I didn’t ask for an argument, I’m answering your question,” Mr. Obama said.

    By shouting out and repeatedly interrupting the president during a speech, Mr. Munro violated decorum at the White House and generated online shouts of disapproval from other reporters, analysts and historians. The incident took place two weeks after the president’s top strategist, David Axelrod, was nearly drowned out at a campaign event by hecklers who had come to support Mitt Romney.
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    Another incident that came to mind to some was when Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, shouted “You lie” during an address to Congress by Mr. Obama in 2009.

    The White House press office did not immediately comment on the exchange. But it quickly became evident that Mr. Munro had distracted from the president’s point by becoming part of the story himself.

    Diane Sawyer, who co-anchored ABC’s live coverage of the presidential statement, said afterward that Mr. Munro, despite his White House credentials, was “clearly considered a heckler.”

    In a statement posted to The Daily Caller’s Web site about an hour after the exchange, Mr. Munro said: “I always go to the White House prepared with questions for our president. I timed the question believing the president was closing his remarks, because naturally I have no intention of interrupting the president of the United States.”

    Mr. Obama had only been speaking for about five minutes when Mr. Munro first shouted. He continued speaking for another five minutes afterward.

    The White House grants credentials to reporters and columnists from a wide range of media outlets, including some that have openly liberal and conservative bents.

    Mr. Munro did not specify what he shouted, but other reporters who were present said the initial question was, “Mr. President, why do you favor foreign workers over Americans?”

    Earlier, the editor in chief of The Daily Caller, Tucker Carlson, defended Mr. Munro’s behavior as an act of journalism. Mr. Carlson, who was on an airplane at the time of the presidential statement, said he had not seen the incident, but “as far as I’m concerned, not having seen it, as a general matter, reporters are there to ask questions.”

    He added, “No politician wants to answer questions, but that’s not our concern.”

    Mr. Carlson, a former co-host of a show on CNN, “Crossfire,” where the interruption of others was a part of the formula, started The Daily Caller in early 2010 to publish political news and commentary, frequently through a conservative prism. Among Mr. Carlson’s investors is Foster Friess, the financier who has donated millions to Republican
    candidates this year.

    The Daily Caller has highlighted what it calls liberal media bias, and Mr. Carlson said he expected the “Obama worshipers in the press” to attack Mr. Munro. When told that his reporter was being called a heckler, Mr. Carlson answered, “That’s what it’s called when you try to get the president to answer your question?”

    Mr. Carlson said Mr. Munro did not discuss any plan to interrupt Mr. Obama with him in advance.

    Of course, it’s common for reporters to shout questions to presidents — but only after they have finished speaking.

    While there was widespread criticism of Mr. Munro’s behavior, including from some conservatives, there was also some criticism of Mr. Obama for not being willing to formally answer questions from reporters in a news conference setting.

    Access to Mr. Obama in question-and-answer settings has been relatively limited, according to a study earlier this year by a professor who works alongside reporters at the White House. The president has tended to favor one-on-one interviews with select reporters over news conferences and informal Q.&A.’s.

    Paul Brandus, a White House reporter who posts to the Twitter account West Wing Reports, wrote that it was “an extraordinary exchange.” He wrote that Mr. Munro was wearing a temporary press credential, not a permanent one.

    “Essential to ask all presidents questions. Sometimes we have to raise our voices as they walk away. But let him finish his remarks,” Mr. Brandus wrote on Twitter after the exchange, calling Mr. Munro’s behavior “boorish.”
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    It was a stupid question (actually, hardly a question at all since it presupposes a falsehood), rudely asked.
    Munro is an asshole and should lose his White House press privileges.

    I have questions for you and I'll make it as easy as I can...
    Why is it that after trillions in bailouts and tax breaks there is still an employment crisis?
    Why have the "job creators" failed to create any jobs?
    Where in Obama's decision does it say that anyone must hire one of the newly (semi)legal immigrants?
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    I've always been against all of the bailouts.

    I'd have no problem getting rid of the tax breaks if we could go to a flat tax where everyone (even the poor people and the lower middle class) had to pay a percentage of their income in taxes-- no exceptions. No way to get out of paying at least some taxes. I think it would make them less likely to vote for more social programs if they realized that they would have to help pay for them.

    So, you admit that the economy is still rather dismal, but who's fault is that? Obama has had almost 4 years to do something about it and it looks like he is a dismal failure, right?

    What Obama's decision does mean is that about 800,000 people who formerly could not legally look for work, now can. This was a huge blunder on his part. I think he was on thin ice as it was, but this will surely cost him the election. Maybe he doesn't really want to be president anymore.

    I wouldn't have to compete with them anyways. Let's face it, I will use my networking skills and connections and have some family members pull some strings to get me a job, and I'm fine with that. But I do still wonder why Mexican-American citizens of the U.S. would favor such a policy that now floods the job market with 800,000 new competitors trying to get their jobs. That's a thinker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 999969999 View Post
    I wouldn't have to compete with them anyways. Let's face it, I will use my networking skills and connections and have some family members pull some strings to get me a job, and I'm fine with that. But I do still wonder why Mexican-American citizens of the U.S. would favor such a policy that now floods the job market with 800,000 new competitors trying to get their jobs. That's a thinker.
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    I would have liked to see Obama go cock-eyed and shout, "Nigga, you didn't just interrupt me during my speech." Would have been more entertaining than handling it like a gentleman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 999969999 View Post
    I've always been against all of the bailouts.
    OK

    I'd have no problem getting rid of the tax breaks if we could go to a flat tax where everyone (even the poor people and the lower middle class) had to pay a percentage of their income in taxes-- no exceptions. No way to get out of paying at least some taxes. I think it would make them less likely to vote for more social programs if they realized that they would have to help pay for them.
    Fine, as long as all the sneaky little tax exemptions the 1% have bought for themselves also disappear...stuff like the 15% capital gains tax, inheritance taxes, offshore havens, trusts, etc. Every company doing business in the US pays full taxes on US business, no more shifting profits to Ireland to escape US taxes. All corporations must repatriate their accounts and pay full taxes on them, no more "holidays".
    Wall St. gets dismantled and everyone involved in the crash of 2008 gets criminally charged. The "too big to fail" banks get broken up and the remaining banks are forbidden to speculate.
    Jamie Dimon gets drawn and quartered on the White House lawn, shown live on primetime TV.
    Citizens United is constitutionally overturned and lobbying becomes illegal.

    So, you admit that the economy is still rather dismal, but who's fault is that? Obama has had almost 4 years to do something about it and it looks like he is a dismal failure, right?
    What effect do you think the President has on the economy? Surely you don't buy into Romney's absurd "Day One" bullshit?
    As so graphically shown last week, Republicans believe that we exist to serve Big Finance, not the other way around. The banks and big financiers are doing better than ever...the worse off we are, the more they profit. Perfect example is the current situation in Greece...somebody(ies) is making a shitton of profit by driving one of Europe's smallest economies off a cliff and it's working so well they've moved on to Italy and Spain. Predatory speculation is rampant and must be stopped.
    I am not at all pleased with Obama but not because he hasn't changed the economy, the state of which I lay at the feet of Republicans and their bank masters.


    What Obama's decision does mean is that about 800,000 people who formerly could not legally look for work, now can. This was a huge blunder on his part. I think he was on thin ice as it was, but this will surely cost him the election. Maybe he doesn't really want to be president anymore.
    But...but what if those 800,000 are more qualified than you? Afraid to compete on a level playing field? Why shouldn't someone who has served in the military be allowed to hold a job? Good enough to protect you but not good enough to compete for a job, eh?
    I wouldn't have to compete with them anyways. Let's face it, I will use my networking skills and connections and have some family members pull some strings to get me a job, and I'm fine with that. But I do still wonder why Mexican-American citizens of the U.S. would favor such a policy that now floods the job market with 800,000 new competitors trying to get their jobs. That's a thinker.
    Yeah, your concern about legal Mexican Americans is really touching.
    I'll bet this move is quite popular amongst them...you'd better tell Rick Scott to get busy scrubbing them from the voter lists before November.
    What do you think Romney's stand on this is...or haven't the Koch brothers downloaded it to his memory banks yet?
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    Actually, in my experience they seem to be mostly non-Mexican Central Americans, Cubans and Puerto Ricans in Florida, not that Rick Scott cares.

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    I think Obama did the right thing by allowing certain illegals to stay in this country. However, his solution to the problem might be a short-term one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlegL View Post
    his solution to the problem might be a short-term one.
    Not "might", exactly intended to be a short-term patch while more comprehensive legislation is put together.
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