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Are you suggesting Sir, that stastistics and facts do not coincide?Originally posted by clocker@29 November 2003 - 00:45
Oddly enough, as the "economic indicators" take an upward swing, Colorado posts another record year for bankruptcies.
There is a disconnect between "indicator" and application, apparently.
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Are you suggesting Sir, that stastistics and facts do not coincide? [/b][/quote]Originally posted by bigboab+29 November 2003 - 00:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 29 November 2003 - 00:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@29 November 2003 - 00:45
Oddly enough, as the "economic indicators" take an upward swing, Colorado posts another record year for bankruptcies.
There is a disconnect between "indicator" and application, apparently.
Lies, damn lies and Boabisms.
en(un)lightened
The job supply has so far expanded by about 60-80 thousand jobs.
Growth in this area has always been, and presumably will continue to be, of the "fits and starts" variety.
I'm making no excuses-I think it's lagging a bit, too.
The overall numbers are undeniably good though, and are cause for cautious optimism.
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
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With things like that, you really have to look at what kinds of jobs have been "created."
A huge majority of the time you'll find that they're minimum-wage, low hour, entry-level part-time "jobs."
Hardly something one could live off of.
Edit: And you have to look at where in the country they are. Chances are it's New York, or California, or some more-populated state, which is not going to help Billy in Iowa.
things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
so, he does
the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
-- WW2 for the l33t
I totally agree with Magic, most of these are jobs that pay poorly and in which you love to hate.Originally posted by j2k4@29 November 2003 - 04:05
The job supply has so far expanded by about 60-80 thousand jobs.
Growth in this area has always been, and presumably will continue to be, of the "fits and starts" variety.
I'm making no excuses-I think it's lagging a bit, too.
The overall numbers are undeniably good though, and are cause for cautious optimism.
In Australia we have record low unemployment rates (work/volunteer one hour or more and your not considered unemployed) but if you look at the statistics more closely most if not all the jobs created are casual/part time crapwork these are also the first jobs to go if the economy slides.
I think the mistake is to look at low unemployment levels as some indicator that people are happy and that people feel good about themselves.
Alot of these jobs depress people and that leads to a much poorer society.
en(un)lightened
Ahem.
The 60-80 thousand jobs created are burger flippers?
No-these are light-manufacturing jobs paying decent wages, and it doesn't matter where they come up; actually, to have any growth at all in California right now would be a bit more of a feat than in Iowa, unless such things are happening merely on the strength of Arnold's having taken office.
You guys really think the the leading edge of economic growth is more Burger Kings and McDonald's?
The economy rebounds and that's the first thing that happens?
SHEEESH!!
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
Are you suggesting Sir, that stastistics and facts do not coincide? [/b][/quote]Originally posted by bigboab+29 November 2003 - 01:52--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 29 November 2003 - 01:52)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-clocker@29 November 2003 - 00:45
Oddly enough, as the "economic indicators" take an upward swing, Colorado posts another record year for bankruptcies.
There is a disconnect between "indicator" and application, apparently.
the whole economy is really worse...
en(un)lightened
the whole economy is really worse...[/b][/quote]Originally posted by internet.news+29 November 2003 - 17:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (internet.news @ 29 November 2003 - 17:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Originally posted by bigboab@29 November 2003 - 01:52
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Oddly enough, as the "economic indicators" take an upward swing, Colorado posts another record year for bankruptcies.
There is a disconnect between "indicator" and application, apparently.
Are you suggesting Sir, that stastistics and facts do not coincide?
What "whole" economy?
"Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."
-Mark Twain
On the Peripheral
That's what the "job growth" is here. Part-time, minimum-wage service sector, in the populated areas.Originally posted by j2k4@29 November 2003 - 22:11
Ahem.
The 60-80 thousand jobs created are burger flippers?
No-these are light-manufacturing jobs paying decent wages, and it doesn't matter where they come up; actually, to have any growth at all in California right now would be a bit more of a feat than in Iowa, unless such things are happening merely on the strength of Arnold's having taken office.
You guys really think the the leading edge of economic growth is more Burger Kings and McDonald's?
The economy rebounds and that's the first thing that happens?
SHEEESH!!
I don't imagine that it would be terribly different in the States.
things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
so, he does
the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
-- WW2 for the l33t
light manufacturing jobs = Process work.Originally posted by j2k4@29 November 2003 - 21:11
No-these are light-manufacturing jobs paying decent wages, and it doesn't matter where they come up; actually, to have any growth at all in California right now would be a bit more of a feat than in Iowa, unless such things are happening merely on the strength of Arnold's having taken office.
You guys really think the the leading edge of economic growth is more Burger Kings and McDonald's?
The economy rebounds and that's the first thing that happens?
SHEEESH!!
These jobs are as depressing as flipping burgers.
Just because people are employed doesnt mean everything is aok.
There is more to life than economic indicators, having people work in jobs they hate to survive while owners make money is nothing to be proud of.
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What "whole" economy? 
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