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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Taxes. ie Tax break for the middle class my ass.

    https://www.fatherly.com/news/middle...rump-tax-hike/


    I had to find a link to a site that wouldn't kneejerk tigger Shay but still spelled out some semblence of the truth of the situation.
    I still got TurboTax from last year installed on my computer and for shits and giggles plan on doing my tax calculations with both the 2018 and 2017 versions. Should we take a stab which program (i.e. tax rules) will give me a bigger refund?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    My point i was trying to make is they do have more tax exemptions that help every class citizen eg. the can write there mortgage off if they have one, plus they have things like "Homestead" with tax benefits as well.
    A little information is a dangerous thing. See, your buddy capped the most important middle-class deductions in his tax-deform. So property taxes can now only be deducted up to $10,000 per year. Since Texas doesn't have an income tax and finances its budget schools through property taxes, I just wrote a big fat check in excess of $15K to Governor Asshat Abbott. Since I now can only deduct $10K, my tax payment at an assumed marginal rate of 25% just went up by $1,500.

    Same thing for sales tax/income tax deductions.

    Riddle me this, Batman: How does that help me and my fellow neighbors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    Do you think it is possible Social/Government Health Care for all Cabby??
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caballero View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    My point i was trying to make is they do have more tax exemptions that help every class citizen eg. the can write there mortgage off if they have one, plus they have things like "Homestead" with tax benefits as well.
    A little information is a dangerous thing. See, your buddy capped the most important middle-class deductions in his tax-deform. So property taxes can now only be deducted up to $10,000 per year. Since Texas doesn't have an income tax and finances its budget schools through property taxes, I just wrote a big fat check in excess of $15K to Governor Asshat Abbott. Since I now can only deduct $10K, my tax payment at an assumed marginal rate of 25% just went up by $1,500.
    Same thing for sales tax/income tax deductions.
    Riddle me this, Batman: How does that help me and my fellow neighbors?
    Ok i understand that issue on property tax that sucks!!! ,now, but is this applied to every state?? I am speaking of people that live in Florida and New York?? And I can tell you that One lady from Philadelphia actually moved to become a resident of Florida for the reasons of savings?? Is that false??
    And Cabby i understand you are talking about property taxs, and it is not my business but lets assume you have merged that payment into a mortgage?? Again i am talking about a physical mortgage?? You can expense that on your taxes right??
    And Are they not two different things?? They are here in Canada, and i do know you can apply your property taxes to a mortgage or you can pay them separately, some of my friends chose not to add it to there mortgage, something on how they charge interests?? I didn't really pay that much attention on the details??
    Not sure how it works where you live vs other states??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caballero View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    Do you think it is possible Social/Government Health Care for all Cabby??
    Yes.
    So you do think that people that have very good Health Care plans from there employer would give it up?? I think it is possible, but the plan would have to be equivalent to the care they offer from there employer plan?? And of course no expense out of there pocket
    Be interesting on how anyone can figure out how to pay for it?? I can't wait to see the math
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    Ok i understand that issue on property tax that sucks!!! ,now, but is this applied to every state?? I am speaking of people that live in Florida and New York?? And I can tell you that One lady from Philadelphia actually moved to become a resident of Florida for the reasons of savings?? Is that false??
    And Cabby i understand you are talking about property taxs, and it is not my business but lets assume you have merged that payment into a mortgage?? Again i am talking about a physical mortgage?? You can expense that on your taxes right??
    And Are they not two different things?? They are here in Canada, and i do know you can apply your property taxes to a mortgage or you can pay them separately, some of my friends chose not to add it to there mortgage, something on how they charge interests?? I didn't really pay that much attention on the details??
    Not sure how it works where you live vs other states??
    Seriously, for someome who Idol claims is rich you really have no clue about money.

    Yes, since the tax deform applies at the federal level, everyone in every state is affected. And while you may now say, but what about states that don't have high property tax rates because they have a state income tax, well, those people may still get hit because of high property valuations (New York? Los Angeles? Odd that this hits predominantly the "coastal elites" who did not vote for Trump).

    And you seem to be under the misconception that you can deduct your mortgage payment. You can deduct the *interest* you pay on your mortgage, that's all. It doesn't matter if you combine your tax/mortgage payments and who you pay the money to, for tax purposes you still have to separate the two and are limited to those specific amounts. Your mortgage payment goes to your bank; your tax payment (ultimately) goes to the government. Two completely different things if you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caballero View Post

    Yes.
    So you do think that people that have very good Health Care plans from there employer would give it up?? I think it is possible, but the plan would have to be equivalent to the care they offer from there employer plan?? And of course no expense out of there pocket
    Be interesting on how anyone can figure out how to pay for it?? I can't wait to see the math
    Maybe someone from the UK should explain to you how the NHS (for better or for worse) provides universal health care to cover the basics and people still have the option to purchase additional insurance/benefits from private corporations like BUPA.

    Since the additional coverage does not have to cover the basics, they are (or at least were when I lived there) relatively cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caballero View Post
    Seriously, for someome who Idol claims is rich you really have no clue about money.
    Yes, since the tax deform applies at the federal level, everyone in every state is affected. And while you may now say, but what about states that don't have high property tax rates because they have a state income tax, well, those people may still get hit because of high property valuations (New York? Los Angeles? Odd that this hits predominantly the "coastal elites" who did not vote for Trump).
    And you seem to be under the misconception that you can deduct your mortgage payment. You can deduct the *interest* you pay on your mortgage, that's all. It doesn't matter if you combine your tax/mortgage payments and who you pay the money to, for tax purposes you still have to separate the two and are limited to those specific amounts. Your mortgage payment goes to your bank; your tax payment (ultimately) goes to the government. Two completely different things if you think about it.
    Are you trying to make fun of me buddy
    What do you need to know about money to be rich, and i don't do my own taxes i pay an accountant to do it, and someone else controls investments, and as long as i am making money he still has control and a job. And i didn't say i was rich did i ??

    And just having common sense and knowing most mortgages are amortized over many years no?? In Florida and you become Homestead, most of them never pay there mortgages off because they get a break on there interest rates plus amortizations are longer , interest adds up and if you do have a mortgage it is nice to have any taxable savings no?? Canadians can't benefit from that, if you think what idol did say most people do have large mortgages here, to live in local areas starting at a million dollars and most people owe half of that, so five hundred thousand dollars, and writing off the interests on that would be a bonus to people here. And i am thinking a million can buy a few houses in places in the US no??. Plus your gambling earnings and losses as well. There is a few companies you can hire here that go after our deductions your Government takes off of us, and of course they take a fee, but it is worth going after at times.
    I am sorry Cabby that i didn't explain my thoughts better to you, And if you save your money for home taxes and put it in the Bank as opposed to adding it to your mortgage you save the interest no?? To me if you borrow money you normally have to pay interest?? If you short term invest and collect interest isn't that more beneficial, and my friends that do add there home taxes to there mortgage because there actual monthly payment is less but they are paying more interest, is that wrong??
    I am not sure how they assess your property taxes there either?? Here they use the running front lot footage and use a mill rate?? And it is fucking crazy how much we pay here compared to the US!!....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caballero View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post

    So you do think that people that have very good Health Care plans from there employer would give it up?? I think it is possible, but the plan would have to be equivalent to the care they offer from there employer plan?? And of course no expense out of there pocket
    Be interesting on how anyone can figure out how to pay for it?? I can't wait to see the math
    Maybe someone from the UK should explain to you how the NHS (for better or for worse) provides universal health care to cover the basics and people still have the option to purchase additional insurance/benefits from private corporations like BUPA.

    Since the additional coverage does not have to cover the basics, they are (or at least were when I lived there) relatively cheap.
    So you are talking in a sense a 2 tier system, Again that is not what the Democrats are speaking of they are saying FREE HEALTH CARE, so zero cost to all Americans for everything?? I can tell you we do not get that here!!, you break or sprain your leg you need crutches you pay, need to take an ambulance to the hospital you pay, you want or need non generic drugs you pay, want entertainment or room other than ward you pay, so what do you consider basics??
    And as i said if you have a good job and your employer is paying for you to get preferential treatment health care they ain't going to give it up, and i know some of those have a stupid minimal deductible.. and does free health care include medications?? Here good jobs employer gives medicine plans as well as dental, I never hear if dental or optometrist are included in there plans as well??
    Funny i am not sure how you immigration works with benefits?? I can tell you people on welfare or family benefits or new immigration here gets all of those things for free Dental, Eyes, Hospitalization, equipment, and the working or wealth taxes pay for that the way our system is set up..

    Like i said Cabby will be interesting if someone ever gets voted into the White House that will implement this, The new Democratic Climate change/Environmental package i saw on the news looked very interesting too, I was thinking you could use the methane concept for fuel and strap the senate leader from Hawaii to a rocket and she can fly home like a circus clown, that is considering they are talking of eliminating planes, she may have some stop over crash landings for it being a distance from Washington to back home, but they will figure something out to soften her landing..

    Lets see how long it takes for the attacks back Tic Tok Tic Tok........
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    People shouldn't be able to purchase additonal health care on top of what the government provides as gives a certain class less incentive to insist the government program is the best it can possibly be. That and money alone shouldn't ever determine who lives and who dies. I mean I kinda hope we've progressed as a society a teeny tiny bit from Ancient Rome.
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