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I'll let you know that I'm always right

Better than being "LEFT"

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[IdolEyes787]

Shay and I both look at things as either being right or being wrong just in totally different ways.

[shaina]

Shay and I both look at things as either being right or being wrong just in totally different ways.

Well, we both agree you are a HOMO

And I believe in facts, and you believe in distortion .....

I believe in reality, you believe in Narnia......


I believe in change, as long as there is a stable replacement for that change, that doesn't alter/backward the way of living.....

I truly believe that Russia is doing bad things, but i also believe there reasons are valid for doing something.....

I believe that America is not so innocent

I think Canada is fucked without the US.......

You judge what is "facts" and what is "reality"

[Caballero]

I truly believe that Russia is doing bad things, but i also believe there reasons are valid for doing something.....

I believe that America is not so innocent

Stop watching Fucker Carlson.

But please, pray tell what are these "valid reasons" you speak of? Aside western inaction since 2014, of course.

Fun story -- one of my neighbors is Russian, has lived here for a couple of years as an expat for a Russian company. Asked him the other day what he was hearing from home, and was inundated with RT-style propaganda. Quite shocking if you think about it; if even he, who has access to western and presumably uncensored media, is buying into Putin's propaganda, what hope is there for Russians in Russia who only see what Putin wants them to see? And yes, he spouted some nonsense about NATO troops having been stationed in Ukraine and similar bullshit.

[shaina]

I truly believe that Russia is doing bad things, but i also believe there reasons are valid for doing something.....

I believe that America is not so innocent

Stop watching Fucker Carlson.

But please, pray tell what are these "valid reasons" you speak of? Aside western inaction since 2014, of course.

Fun story -- one of my neighbors is Russian, has lived here for a couple of years as an expat for a Russian company. Asked him the other day what he was hearing from home, and was inundated with RT-style propaganda. Quite shocking if you think about it; if even he, who has access to western and presumably uncensored media, is buying into Putin's propaganda, what hope is there for Russians in Russia who only see what Putin wants them to see? And yes, he spouted some nonsense about NATO troops having been stationed in Ukraine and similar bullshit.

well Cabby, who should i believe??

Are you saying that Ukraine didn't want to join NATO??

PS.. I am not sure if you saw my longer post, but i just edited it, because what is the point to have a debate with you and get you upset???

So i will ask you the 2 question and see how you respond to that

PPS... And just think of this, You talked to one Russian, You know that i have moved into a Condo, I talk to floors of Russians and Ukrainians!!!, All with different views...

So... That makes you an expert on what is really going on and how each of the countries population really feels???

[Caballero]

No, I never said i was an expert. My point was that if someone who has access to the free press is still influenced by "his" state-run propaganda, I can't imagine what it would take to open the eyes of the common Joe(seph?) Sixpackofvodka to what is happening in Ukraine. Nothing more.

And seriously, are you going to tell me, too, that NATO troops were stationed in Ukraine before the invasion? If so, please tell me your sources.

And of course Ukraine was interested in joining NATO. Hell, wouldn't you want some protection if the neighborhood bully lived in the house next door and started taking your lunch money? In retrospect I suppose pushing back on that was one of the biggest policy blunders of Merkel and Sakozy back in the day. But please don't tell me that in your opinion that justifies invading the country and starting a full-blown war (sorry: special military operation)? What's next, Russia invading Sweden and Finland?

And who should you believe... unless you buy into the bullshit that what the world is now seeing in places like Bucha is staged and all the bodies are just actors, I think it's pretty clear who's lying. And if you do, maybe you have listened to Alex Jones for too long.

No offense, but I'd think that you for one would react slightly different to the atrocities that are being documented just now. Given the tactics we see, it would seem to me that there is just one regime involved that needs to be "de-nazified". And it ain't Zelenskyy.

[shaina]

No, I never said i was an expert. My point was that if someone who has access to the free press is still influenced by "his" state-run propaganda, I can't imagine what it would take to open the eyes of the common Joe(seph?) Sixpackofvodka to what is happening in Ukraine. Nothing more.

Well just look at the US and there Main Stream Media LOL!!! Most of it looks like it is run by Left Democratic Party, and the few opposition media reporting is constantly being threatened to be taken off air or banned from Twitter, Facebook, etc

That is not Fact Cabby

So what are you trying to really say?? You want examples of "FAKE NEWS" and "FACTUAL NEWS" that was banned for a narrative i will fill pages here..

Not Fact Cabby??

And seriously, are you going to tell me, too, that NATO troops were stationed in Ukraine before the invasion? If so, please tell me your sources.

No that is "FAKE NEWS" , but Biden being a moron said to the media when he was with the Troops in Poland said they will see for there own eyes when the Polish military will be training Ukrainians in Ukraine , the administration had to go into damage control and walk it back!!!

Did you not see that??

And my question was was it out there that Ukraine wanted to join NATO?? That "FACT" was yes.. And the US instigated that!!!!

Instead of shutting the Fuck UP!!! and sending them Defensive weapons period!!! What do you need NATO for if you have your own military to protect yourself!!!!

Now i know you are a smart guy Cabby, Russia no matter if you like them or not has the right to protect there citizens as well!!!!

Again NO Americans or NATO troops on the ground in Ukraine Cabby....

Another question buddy, is Ukraine paying for those weapons ?? If not?? Is NATO splitting the bill?? Considering they don't pay there share now???

And of course Ukraine was interested in joining NATO

Why??

What happened to them when there was someone in America that was feared?? Really what happened anywhere in the world that was bad??

. Hell, wouldn't you want some protection if the neighborhood bully lived in the house next door and started taking your lunch money?

Learn to protect yourself

In retrospect I suppose pushing back on that was one of the biggest policy blunders of Merkel and Sakozy back in the day.

No the big mistake was getting in bed with Russia and being dependent on them Cabby, and Having a weak and stupid American president that no one fears.......

But please don't tell me that in your opinion that justifies invading the country and starting a full-blown war (sorry: special military operation)? What's next, Russia invading Sweden and Finland?

Well is Sweden and Finland ever been attacked by Russia in the Past?? Are they joining NATO and causing a threat to Russia's sovereignty?? Is any of them doing terrorist attacks in Russia??

Cabby How can you really answer that??...

Like i said what if Canada or Mexico had missiles pointed at the US?? Or you see your considered major enemy influencing a country on your border?? A threat??

Do you strike first, before it escalates further?? I mean look what happened in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, didn't America and Russia take turns and both failed??
Again what is the purpose of protecting/invading?? Don't you think that Russia has more in common with those countries?? ..

The funny and stupid questions Cabby, thinking that other countries have morals and ethics in fighting War LOL!!!

You know the answers to that buddy They are fucking animals and have zero care who dies!!!!!

And who should you believe... unless you buy into the bullshit that what the world is now seeing in places like Bucha is staged and all the bodies are just actors, I think it's pretty clear who's lying. And if you do, maybe you have listened to Alex Jones for too long.

No I believe Russia did everything!!!, Trying to bate or Mock me Cabby is not a debate, just ask me what i think and i will answer you

And as i said you are expecting morals in war/fighting from people like these communist/dictating countries, it is not going to happen my friend, that is why you have to be brutal back, like blowing up tanks shooting down planes if you can??
Even if 90% is true Cabby Russia is dirty animals, but they have interests in protecting there country, even if they strike first....

And Biden being a weak moron and whoever is pulling his strings is causing mayhem all over the world.. They don't fear him!!!!!

Again What is the US interests in Ukraine?? Why is it there responsibility to supply a European Country?? And the US taxpayers pay for all of it???!!! What is Europe/EU/ doing??

No offense, but I'd think that you for one would react slightly different to the atrocities that are being documented just now. Given the tactics we see, it would seem to me that there is just one regime involved that needs to be "de-nazified". And it ain't Zelenskyy.

Why use that word?? Russia is not killing or trying to annihilate races?? It is a dirty war Cabby, and many innocents are getting killed but Putin is not playing favourites on who he is killing, that is the way they fight!!!, they don't have any morals or ethics. but they are not trying to erase all Ukrainians.... But he does want a secure border without a NATO threat,
You agree with his point right???

Now if i am wrong, he would have to attack all neighbour countries, until then Cabby Ukraine is it.........

Now why didn't you ever care about the Syrians or Afghans Russia committed mass murders of innocents there too??

And truth so did the Americans?? But it was in the interests of protecting Democracy and threats to the people at home right??

So you strike first

What did America do when Russia was helping Cuba??

So again, Why no interests there??

Now really the big question Cabby...

Put yourself in Putin's shoes... What would you have done??

[A]

I take ownership for this discussion.

[shaina]

I take ownership for this discussion.

Why??

What do you mean??

[A]

I'm proud of what little I contributed leading to two people arguing.