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    Caballero's Avatar Hung Like A Horse
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    I was going to mention the "not files, just pointers to files" defense in my previous post, but I'm not sure how effective it is nowadays. I mean, torrent indexes hosted .torrent files (which are metadata), and now they only have magnet links (which are meta-metadata), but this hasn't stopped law enforcement from going after them...

    In the end, I guess it all depends on what the law says where your server(s) and domain are registered, where the site staff lives, and who has the best lawyers.
    Mostly the latter, I guess... Just came across this little gem:

    --> https://torrentfreak.com/operator-of...-rules-200115/

    Not a one-to-one translation of what we do, but it might send up some smoke signals... Especially that last sentence.

  2. Newsgroups   -   #22
    Just finished reading that article. If anything, they were at less risk than we are, since they only "talked" about Popcorn Time; here we discuss all kinds of filesharing (streaming or not) and have NZBs to boot.

    Anyway, during the entire time I've been in the staff, there haven't been any threats of legal action against this forum. I don't know if it's due to good management or simply insane luck, but let's hope it stays that way in either case.
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  3. Newsgroups   -   #23
    But SSL encryption or VPN is not enough for the Usenet provider to know which files I download from the server or am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragutin View Post
    But SSL encryption or VPN is not enough for the Usenet provider to know which files I download from the server or am I wrong?
    I recommend reading this thread from the beginning.
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    Yes, I missed some sentences thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragutin View Post
    But SSL encryption or VPN is not enough for the Usenet provider to know which files I download from the server or am I wrong?
    Really your Usenet provider doesn't give 2 shits what you download, it is your ISP (internet service provider) that does. And even saying that I have only used SSL, and yes your ISP sees how much you download/traffic, there is nothing that can block that, but they have no idea what any of it is, it just comes up gibberish....
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    I believed that the Usenet provider was obliged to log what I downloaded and from which groups, and for my ISP I know that it is harder to find out the content if I use SSL and I don't care about size

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    Quote Originally Posted by dragutin View Post
    I believed that the Usenet provider was obliged to log what I downloaded and from which groups, and for my ISP I know that it is harder to find out the content if I use SSL and I don't care about size
    Usenet , Not what you download, only if you have limits and not unlimited they keep track of your use , again they don't give a shit what you download, and again with SSL all your downloads are encrypted so your ISP only sees gibberish, using a VPN does nothing when it comes to Usenet......
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    I think we can all agree that your news provider would be in a much better position to log than your ISP if they were so inclined, since they can decrypt the data and see every request you made. But for the most part, they don't do it because not monitoring their customers is better marketing.

    Logging policies for posts/uploads may differ, though, so watch out
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon View Post
    I think we can all agree that your news provider would be in a much better position to log than your ISP if they were so inclined, since they can decrypt the data and see every request you made. But for the most part, they don't do it because not monitoring their customers is better marketing.

    Logging policies for posts/uploads may differ, though, so watch out
    So your explanation is the SSL doesn't work for the Usenet provider

    The same Anon, i do know they meter your use, but really one do they really care what you download or upload, unless the provider gets a notice for takedown??

    or two, they advertise fast speed connections, and access to where most of the pirated stuff is located in the binary groups?? If they didn't give you access to those groups?? Who the heck would pay for that provider..

    I can say in all the years of using Usenet, i have never got a notice from my ISP for downloading copy-write things?? and i am talking on average over a Terra byte a month easy. But i can't say the same when i did occasionally use Torrents...

    That may be the reason for paying for top NZB sites and having a good Usenet provider

    Just sayin buddy

    PS. i should add that like some hoarders here do the same and keep all of the shit!!, most of the time i may end up moving a quarter of the downloads to my mock server for keeps the rest i delete .....
    Last edited by shaina; 11-26-2020 at 04:33 AM.
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