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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    If you work and do the best job you can - as everyone should - among people who are not motivated to do the same, what of that, then?

    Have you ever outworked anyone in your life?

    What motivated you to do that?

    Or are you the type who works down to the standard set by others?

    Tell me more, and leave your bitterness out of it.

    Tell me this as well:

    Do I sound more like a boss or a worker-bee right now?
    I don't get it??

    But i will say when i worked i worked my ass off, was it appreciated all the time no, because if you reach the peak at job opportunities how do you go up??

    That same saying i worked my ass off i did it to make more fucking money!! to pay for the things i wanted, and the same i wasn't looking at the guy driving the Corvette!!

    I was looking at the guy that was driving the Mazda 323 because i knew i could afford that!!! Then my goal was to aim higher..

    My point is you have to start somewhere, then build yourself up, save money for the next level....

    Maybe i do see your point

    Here is an interesting question....

    if you are starting in the work force do you think a 4 year basic degree in University should give you entitlement???
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post

    So as J2K4 said "Tell me more, and leave your bitterness out of it"
    In the interest of pejorative accuracy, I'm not bitter ie resentful. If in the future you feel the need to employ slurs to diminish either me or my opinions may I humbly suggest the good ole reliable "asshole" clear and to the point. Although if truth be told kinda personally favour "dickweed". See that way I'm both a dick and a weed. Twofer.
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    As a dickweed, I've never felt that having a ton of money was the key to happiness or in or of itself in any way a noble pursuit.

    If I'm walking down the street and I witness a bum saving a puppy from getting run over by a limo, I'm thinking there exists at least the possibility that the bum may be a better man than the guy in the limo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post

    So as J2K4 said "Tell me more, and leave your bitterness out of it"
    In the interest of pejorative accuracy, I'm not bitter ie resentful. If in the future you feel the need to employ slurs to diminish either me or my opinions may I humbly suggest the good ole reliable "asshole" clear and to the point. Although if truth be told kinda personally favour "dickweed". See that way I'm both a dick and a weed. Twofer.
    Didn't intend it pejoratively, so stick it up your asshole, dickweed.

    See how accommodating I am?

    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    As a dickweed, I've never felt that having a ton of money was the key to happiness or in or of itself in any way a noble pursuit.

    If I'm walking down the street and I witness a bum saving a puppy from getting run over by a limo, I'm thinking there exists at least the possibility that the bum may be a better man than the guy in the limo.
    I might be tempted to do the same, but chances are the fellow driving the limo is a working schlub, like us.

    I prefer animals to humans anyway.

    If you won't call it bitterness, how about prejudice?

    Have you never known a wealthy, successful, hard-working person?

    Most of the ones I've had the pleasure of meeting were top-notch.

    Maybe you're just unlucky?


    In any case, this is a subject that does not lend itself to anecdotal discussion - the dynamic of management vs "worker" has been laid in place forever, and can only be discussed theoretically.

    I've been a manager for the past 35 years, and I was a union spud for years before that.

    For the past 25 years, I've managed my own small crew of five, where previously I had about 60 people under me when I answered to a higher authority.

    As an aside, if you want to see overweening ignorance, work for a political hierarchy and see what you think of that.

    My point is, the least senior of the people who work for me has been with me 14 years, so I am by default one of the smaller 'bastards'.

    Back to your "asshole" - you'll find them everywhere, at the top and​ the bottom, in equal measure.
    “Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    When you have a party that has gotten more people out of poverty and food stamps, and more prosperous, is there going to still be a few that just don't?? Sure...
    Hey, just for kicks, which party do you think that is? Spoiler alert, it's not the one you are thinking of.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._e...can_presidents

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    Here is an interesting question....

    if you are starting in the work force do you think a 4 year basic degree in University should give you entitlement???
    I good question, infrequently asked.

    Have you noticed how the menu of 'basic' degrees has expanded?

    Have you noticed how few are of practical use?

    The intersection of those two circumstances is littered with the wreckage of wrongly-chosen 'basic' degrees.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caballero View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by shaina View Post
    When you have a party that has gotten more people out of poverty and food stamps, and more prosperous, is there going to still be a few that just don't?? Sure...
    Hey, just for kicks, which party do you think that is? Spoiler alert, it's not the one you are thinking of.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._e...can_presidents
    I didn't even look at wiki-links anymore, sorry.
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    Someone asked for a solution. Personally, I have zero issue with anyone with assets up to $25 million. After that, taxes should be IMMENSE AND UNAVOIDABLE. No one should inherit over $10 million. Amounts over that can be donated to legitimate charities (nonpolitical), given to a workers' retirement fund or as bonuses to workers and managers and CEOs on a proportionate basis, or reinvested. Success rewards everyone. Not saying a janitor needs to be compensated $1+ million per year, but a CEO doesn't need $100 million, either. Other areas money can be 'redistributed': jobs creation, healthcare and research, education for anyone willing to meet basic standards of success, infrastructure, a *reasonable* amount of defense and well trained public servants including police officers. Everyone is offered opportunities. There's a basic income granted to those staying home to raise their children. Drug programs and prisons are meant to educate people and help them be integrated into society (Norwegian model)...

    If there's $800k of wealth available in the country for each person, there's enough to create a fair society that actually cares about people while allowing large amounts of wealth for those who strive. The limit is more to restrict one's ability to affect elections than to limit ones ability to accumulate stuff-- although $25 million is FAR more than anyone needs for 10 lifetimes.

    Go ahead-- I realize it's not perfect (not trying to be Marx here), but putting out a far more equitable approach than we have.

    And corporations are not considered 'people'-- they're [email protected]<%!& businesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    I didn't even look at wiki-links anymore, sorry.
    That's okay. I'll give you the Tl:dr here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRndMiVIB-w
    Last edited by Caballero; 01-17-2021 at 08:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Never go in against a Canadian when maple syrup is on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post

    Have you never known a wealthy, successful, hard-working person?
    I have. I never said that every wealthy person was somehow bad or that every black poor person was somehow good. Only a fool speaks in absolutes and Ma didn't raise any fools. I was given up for adoption.
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