Offensive 2021

[shaina]

Cuomo is in really serious trouble. It's funny how some stories tend to explode but those rumours about the nursing homes have been out there for months. I don't have any problem believing there is some truth to the story and that Cuomo is one transparently ambitious piece of shit and should be charged if evidence bears any of this out. Still not as bad fixing the COVID books as Ron DeSantis or as criminal as Chris Christie though.

So you think Florida is lying/fixing the death numbers?? Is there any links showing that??

The same remember the number of deaths with Cuomo is not in dispute, it is where he allocated the deaths to get the negligence off of him.. He has run the state in the toilet financially!!, so he wanted to look like saviour of the state, to get federal bail out funding, and Trump to look bad, and force his hand to give it..

Now there is this....

Pelosi issues 'rare rebuke' after Cuomo claims feds trying to shortchange NY in coronavirus bill: reports

Pelosi cited an amount of proposed federal aid that far exceeds the $15 billion the governor has repeatedly said New York needs to close its budget gap

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi apparently isn't buying New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s claim that congressional Democrats’ proposed coronavirus aid package would not provide enough relief to the Empire State.



The speaker this week sent a letter to New York's congressional Democrats, touting the federal proposal's $50 billion in state and local funding for New York as well as $20 billion to "support families' health, financial security and well-being."

Cuomo wants the Federal Government to cover his ass because he turned New York into a toilet, and bankrupt it way before the Wuhan China Virus....

And that is a lot of fucking "B's" that somebody is going to be paying back!!!, and i can tell you it ain't going to be the 1% rich!!!!

As for The Lincoln Project, everyone really on the left already knew who they were and despised them. Most of the people involved made their bones as Republican dirty tricksters so call me less than surprised if these leopards didn't change their spots. To be fair though, there are plenty of sleazier organizations, Fox News among them, bud.

Ya but you are looking at this wrong....They were "Never Trumpers" right, so they were good props for Left Wing media Idol.... They had them on all the time on CNN and MSNBC because they would constantly bash Trump and his voters.But it now makes them look bad putting and promoting child molesters and embezzlers on constantly..
Remember the next President on the US Michael Avenatti that was constantly on CNN and Left Wing Media Where is he now
But being fair to you it was a win win situation for the Left/Liberals/Sleepy Joe either way. And the ratings for CNN/MSNBC can't get any worse ..

And how is Fox News sleazier?? The same what did Tucker report that was not Fact??

[Caballero]

Cabby: Ok lets have a little fun buddy

Now i don't see your response of my rebuttal to your thinking?? Again always keep in mind Economics, Human Nature in a Democratic society not Socialist/Communist one, and Self Determination....

That's because I have other things to do and quite frankly, your understanding of numbers is a head scratcher to me. You look at the numbers I posted and you say that Florida and Texas have fewer deaths (I assume you mean compared to California and New York)? On an absolute basis, yes. But not on a per capita basis. The death rate per 1,000 residents is 1.2 in California vs. 1.4 in Texas. Doesn't seem like much, but to me a 15% difference is statistically significant. By your reasoning, Rhode Island would be doing great -- as of yesterday, only 2,290 people have died there! Fantastic! Except that that is actually the fourth highest death rate of the fifty states since the start of the pandemic.

Now i will start like this.... You have 2 states with 10,000 in population and one locked down and the other open full or with mild restrictions....


Opened....10,000 population ....

Wuhan China virus deaths 101

And the states economy is great, and hospital care is still going....



Now Locked Up 10.000 population....

Wuhan China virus deaths 102
suicides 10
Deaths on closing elective surgeries... 50

And the economy of the state is in ruins and Adults and Children are suffering and very Angry and Frustrated and depressed!!!!

How do the numbers look when you put them on the screen???

Okay, let's not talk about your meaningless hypotheticals and look at real-world examples. Would you agree that the Nordic countries are similar enough (culturally, sociologically, economically, etc) to draw some valid conclusions? In that case let's look at how Sweden (open) and Denmark/Norway/Finland (locked-down) fared through the pandemic. I recommend this article, but since I know you won't click on the link and actually read it, let me just post this graph and a few of the highlights:

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The King of Sweden, Carl XVI Gustaf, last week said the country had “failed” in its efforts to protect society from the pandemic. These comments were later described by the royal court as an expression of “empathy for those affected”, rather than a reprimand aimed at the authorities. Nevertheless, just a few days later, Stockholm introduced a series of new measures, including limiting public gatherings to eight people, closing gyms, libraries and swimming pools, and recommending the use of face masks on crowded public transport.

And here you can see directly what the impact of lock-down vs. no lock-down is:

These spring re-openings didn’t prevent case numbers falling and social distancing guidelines remained in place throughout the summer. As schools, hairdressers and sports clubs returned, Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Danish media on 26 April that Denmark was “now starting to follow the Swedish path by… pursuing a gentler model”. But this was at a fraction of the cost in lives. [...] In recent weeks, Denmark’s path has diverged from that of its neighbours. Its upward curve of daily infections, corrected for population size, is, at the time of writing, steeper than all but one other western European country: Sweden. On 16 December, Copenhagen announced a second lockdown, one it had been hoping to avoid, which will come into full force on 25 December. Experts in Denmark have argued that, this time, the country waited until case numbers were too high before imposing tighter restrictions.

So as soon as they move to the "Swedish" model case numbers and deaths spike and they lose control of the pandemic. But to give some credit, at least the Swedes are not so stubborn that they don't see the error of their ways:

The story of the second wave is incomplete for the Nordic countries, but it appears so far to be mirroring the first: these comparable countries have adopted mostly pragmatic, proactive approaches and, when compared with Sweden, they have saved more lives. [...] the decision to adopt more restrictions and recommendations is a sign that Sweden is now beginning to follow the path its neighbours have trodden for months.

But your biggest fallacy is your claim that you have to choose between saving lives and saving the economy. Read this article. And since you most likely will not, let me just highlight the conclusion:

The standard economic indicators reviewed here show, overall, countries that have contained the virus also tend to have had less severe economic impacts than those that haven’t.

No one should be misled into believing there is zero-sum choice between saving lives and saving the economy. That is a false dichotomy.

If there is anything to be learned regarding how to deal with future pandemics, it is that rapidly containing the pandemic may well lessen its economic impact.

Truly it is time to open up the countries and take precautions where needed!!!!

Precautions... Like social distancing, (double)masking and a lock-down of those parts of the economy that would contribute to the spread of the virus? Well, I sure am glad that you seem to be coming around.


As an side, I don't even know how to respond to this:

Science is projections and predictions/assumptions not FACTS!!!!!!!

[Caballero]

And to answer your other question:

The same it is pretty much proven you can't get the WCV more than once, if you had it would you still get the vaccine??[/B]

Would you give the vaccine to your children knowing the risk of the WCV is minimal??? If you want to answer are you going too??

Fun fact: I've had it. The entire family had it, including the little one. Thankfully very mild cases, but we had it. It was a fun Christmas. Got three lab tests here that confirm it. I also have a lab test that shows no presence of antibodies in my blood, which as best as I can tell means that I can very much get t again (besides, it appears that you can get reinfected by the various mutations). So yes, I definitely will get the vaccine as soon as I can. And even if I had antibodies, I'd still get the vaccine. Just like I am getting my Tetanus shot every ten years or the annual flu shot.

And yes, that includes the kid, too, as soon as the FDA lets us.

And since you keep bringing up the flu, how many deaths (or even just cases) have there been this time around? Shockingly few, given the social distancing, mask-wearing, hand-washing and other measures in place because of COVID. So I am pretty confident to say that your earlier statement "Like any viral/air airborne virus there is no Fact on how to stop it other than Human Nature taking it's course and either a vaccine/medication or immunity to prevent..." is wrong, too.

[Stehle]

... Still not as bad fixing the COVID books as Ron DeSantis or as criminal as Chris Christie though.

I rest my case.





(Scary, but very lucky Cab... may the FDA move swiftly to meet your family and your needs.)

[shaina]

That's because I have other things to do and quite frankly, your understanding of numbers is a head scratcher to me.

I am glad you are a very busy guy Cabby
What is so difficult to understand, There is less deaths in the states that are open then ones that are locked down period!!!

And if they follow the protocols/precautions they are supposed to it works!!!! Not full zero science Lock-Downs....

And you can look at many other factors but that is just plain Facts!!!

And if you told every fucking politician they were not going to get paid until everything is open what do you think they would be doing!!!!!!!!

End of discussion there....

Okay, let's not talk about your meaningless hypotheticals

Why are they meaningless?? Because you don't understand numbers or what numbers are important???

Lock-Downs actually cause more deaths!!! Just because they are not counted in the number you see splashed and spewed on Media!!!!!

That was my point that you just don't get!! Again the same what is the recovery number?? Senior population in the State, Density in a state etc...

Those things matter, you look at things that just don't matter!!! The Death rate and Recovery rate are the numbers to look at!!!!

and look at real-world examples. Would you agree that the Nordic countries are similar enough (culturally, sociologically, economically, etc) to draw some valid conclusions?

Blah Blah Blah again Cabby, the populations are not compatible/comparable....

Again Lock-Downs don't work and there is zero science in that thinking.......

If you take Canada, they spew that we are doing better than you!!!, but are we really when you look at the numbers?? Ah no we are about the same!!!!

Right now we are in Lock-Down, and the numbers are pretty much the same as they were before the L-D.......They don't make a difference in the Death rate just the positive rate!!!!

And here you can see directly what the impact of lock-down vs. no lock-down is:

I saw Blah Blah Blah again, and maybe some of what i said that Lock-Downs don't work in most cases

So you got a big thing with the Sweed's without getting angry did you ever think of moving there?? I mean there population is huge at 10,099,265 and if there was a few after this number was posted births it went up a lot

How are the EU's numbers?? How is the UK numbers?? How is the Middle Easts numbers?? How is China or Russia's numbers??

The Sweed's got it perfect right and everyone else is just wrong and all the populations sizes are the same too..

I mean look at Israel's numbers!!! They are terrible and they have most of the population vaccinated more than any other country, but look at the Density of the population and they are in Lock Down!!!!! When they were open it was pretty much the same!!! And yes i have family that lives there!!! And one is studying to be a Doctor there

When is the Last time you were in a Costco!!?? Or a Walmart??!!! Here you don't hear a panic to close them down because there is a massive outbreak..

Again tell all the politicians they are not getting paid until everyone is back to work or kids in school!!! Then lets see how they listen to the bullshit science...

But your biggest fallacy is your claim that you have to choose between saving lives and saving the economy

No and not to sound rude but you must think that money grows on trees...

You need a balance of both, that is my point the whole time period, again Lock-Downs don't work and there is zero science proving they do, period ,Fact

Again i have never said ever not to have/keep precautions in place, just open the fuck up

And i know you are an Eco Energy friendly guy, can you explain this to me.....

So you have a restaurant that has an amazing ventilation system with aprox 150 seats, So in harsh lock-down mode you are only allowed 10 people seated at a time!!!!

Now you have an outdoor patio that is completely tented with a heater, and you jam in 40 people in a very small space !!!!

Does that make any sense to you?? I will narrow the parameter for an answer, do you think that is safer??!!!

As an side, I don't even know how to respond to this:

Science is projections and predictions/assumptions not FACTS!!!!!!!

What don't you understand about my comment?? The Fact or the Reality

What does the great Dr. Fauci say about lock-downs?? I assume you trust his judgement Cabby....

What does the CDC say about Lock-Downs?? They are the experts.....

What does the WHO organization really say about Lock-Downs??

Are they not the science experts??

Again Stop paying every politician that has these bullshit Lock-Downs and see what will happen!!

[shaina]

Fun fact: I've had it. The entire family had it, including the little one. Thankfully very mild cases, but we had it. It was a fun Christmas.

Had what the Wuhan China Virus?? If so i am glad everyone recovered and are ok, and knowing how fucking anal you are in a good way it shows you chances are you can get it with every anal precautions right

Got three lab tests here that confirm it. I also have a lab test that shows no presence of antibodies in my blood, which as best as I can tell means that I can very much get t again (besides, it appears that you can get reinfected by the various mutations).

Well then you can go into the Guinness book of records for getting it twice, and talk to the guy in Venezuela that got the golden ticket to have a tour of the Wonka Factory

So yes, I definitely will get the vaccine as soon as I can. And even if I had antibodies, I'd still get the vaccine.

Great good to know...

Just like I am getting my Tetanus shot every ten years or the annual flu shot.

I see a pattern of thinking here now...

And yes, that includes the kid, too, as soon as the FDA lets us.

Well up to a certain age they are in other countries. Again even if the FDA approves it i assume there is side effects and actually many that are not even known because the drug is new?? Knowing the risk is low in children with the Wuhan China Virus and you did mention if i read it right your family has had it or supposedly because you were tested showed they did. And i assume Thank G-D everyone recovered fine

You would still risk giving it to your Children?? Do you think if they were of age to understand would they want it??

Are you going to explain it to them what the side effects may be?? And what if they said no??

And since you keep bringing up the flu, how many deaths (or even just cases) have there been this time around? Shockingly few, given the social distancing, mask-wearing, hand-washing and other measures in place because of COVID.

So your thinking this would help in all viral/flu viruses should this now be a permanent practices forever ?? Wearing a mask wherever you go??

Seems by your post you did do that before the Wuhan China Virus existed , What did you do when there was the H1N1 (Bird Flu Virus)??

Did you do the same?? Get tested every minute and wear a mask everywhere ??? Funny i found N95 masks brand new in the boxes, never worn when the H1N1 virus was here..... Yes never wore one and never got it, and never changed any routine , i must be lucky or something

So I am pretty confident to say that your earlier statement "Like any viral/air airborne virus there is no Fact on how to stop it other than Human Nature taking it's course and either a vaccine/medication or immunity to prevent..." is wrong, too.

So i am wrong

I get the flu shot every year here, and there is 2, one that the government pays for and the other is volunteer and cost $150..

And pretty much every year i get a cold that ends up Walking Phenomena, why don't you Google it and i get the same medication you take for 5 days and that is the end of it......

My point is Cabby, the vaccines are not full proof buddy!!!, you can be a hypochondriac a pill popper or Anal Retentive, there is always a chance you can get sick!!! And you don't need science to tell you that

Now you spoke of a tetanus shot...

I guess you are a handy guy but a wee bit clutsy or accident prone Or the anal is kicking in again?? Do you put it on on your fridge when you last got it??

I can tell you i never remember those things, so if i end up in the hospital and asked if i had one or one in the last year?? Heck really you don't have to wait for 10 years to get one, they just give it to you spickety split, you don't have to wait 10 years i guess...

What does the full of shit Fauci say about lock-downs??

What did the CDC just announce for children and in class learning??

Show me someone that is supposedly an expert in science says Lock-Downs work??

Sleepy Joe is now the President, all the politicians with Lock-Downs are not changing there mind and opening up!!! Science didn't say shit!!!!!!

Again Everyone should be Healthy and Happy and if you choose to stay home be more anal or whatever....

There is no science proof that Lock-Downs work, so people that want to stay home stay home but it is time to open the fuck up, even for just the kids sakes!!!!!

[shaina]

... Still not as bad fixing the COVID books as Ron DeSantis or as criminal as Chris Christie though.

I rest my case.

So you think he is cooking the books Stehle??

Do you think a Lock-Down will help??

Do you see a lot of people not wearing a mask in public?? Or social distancing ??

[IdolEyes787]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebekah_Jones

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...248571305.html

It's also a scientific fact that wearing two masks reduces airborne transmission by 93%. The problem is that a large group of people were given a lie that they bought into and don't adhere to the proper precautions because and this is also a scientific fact, they lack the tiny bit of necessary humanity to do this one simple thing so as to not maybe kill other people.

[shaina]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebekah_Jones

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...248571305.html

It's also a scientific fact that wearing two masks reduces airborne transmission by 93%. The problem is that a large group of people were given a lie that they bought into and don't adhere to the proper precautions because and this is also a scientific fact, they lack the tiny bit of necessary humanity to do this one simple thing so as to not maybe kill other people.

Ya i was told by my wife's nurse that most masks are not really protective... He said that when you are wearing your mask if you can blow out a candle they are not effective...

And that is also fucking false!!! Depending on what mask you are wearing, some single masks have more protective elements in them.....

It is actually based on the cosmetic masks that people wear, then overlapping with another gives better protection!!!

See it is how you interpret what is being said!!!!! The same with wearing a screen/visor understanding is more important than preaching false FACTS!!!!!!!

And using the word scientific is just wrong!!! it is a recommendation based on projection data and assumptions!!! Not fucking Facts...

Because it seems that every 2 fucking days there is more facts and they don't even have all the data ..

And pretty much every science recommendation or prediction has been FALSE!!!!!

Do you want to start from the beginning of this Wuhan China Virus science expert recommendation!!!

And then we can go into FACTS and ACTIONS!!!!

Now tell me something Idol.... How many people do you think can breath properly in one mask??!!!! Now add another fucking mask!!!!!!

My wife can not wear a N95 masks and breath properly either, and she is given a mask by a nurse every month/time when she gets her infusion and it is approved. one fucking mask!!! not two

But hey if you want to wear 2 masks when you go out ?? G-D bless you do what the heck you want buddy

It is not going to happen with me buddy. I wear a single mask and try to distance myself, and if i am close to someone i don't speak until i go by them!!!!!

And your link to the Miami herald!!!, i get that paper there for the movie theater listings, it is a Left Wing paper that knocks every Republican in the Florida state....

I have never seen anything positive ever !!!! And if you look at the Republican approval numbers in Florida that will answer that question better for you buddy....

Now i am not in any way saying there may be fudging with numbers!!! I do know that the majority seniors and the people love the Republican representatives there, from other local papers.....

Or maybe it is the parties policies

[shaina]

Hot off the press Lefties

"Acquitted"

Trump acquitted in second impeachment trial on charge of inciting Jan. 6 Capitol riot
GOP, led by Mitch McConnell, largely sticks with Trump during Saturday verdict

A majority of senators found Trump guilty on Saturday in a 57-43 vote, but the number fell short of the supermajority needed to convict the president. Had Trump been convicted, the Senate would have moved to bar the 45th president from holding federal office ever again.


That is all this bullshit Impeachment was about, Power for Dems and fear of Trump in 2024

CNN reporting....

"Acquitted Again"

These are the 7 GOP senators who voted to convict Trump

The Senate just voted to acquit former President Trump in his second impeachment trial. The vote was 57-43, with seven Republicans joining the Democrats. Senators needed a two-thirds majority to convict Trump.

These are the seven Republicans who voted to convict the former President:

Richard Burr
Bill Cassidy
Susan Collins
Lisa Murkowski
Mitt Romney
Ben Sasse
Pat Toomey

4 of them might as well be Democrats The others, well 2 not expected for sure........

I hope there is no Lefties out there nervous about 2024 I would be, i guarantee if Trump is nominated for the Republican party candidate, he is a smart/quick learner, he has learned how to cheat better then the Dems did this time