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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    It's offensive to me but since you're on record here with supporting a two tier health system I'm thinking you're not as upset by that sort of brazen assholishness as I am.

    Btw athletes have always been given special privilege. I remember many, many years ago some Toronto Raptor injuring himself and getting an immediate MRI while at the time the wait for an average person was weeks if not months.
    When did i say i am for a 2 tier health system?? Can you please reference any post that i am for it?? I said it is here and going to be implemented, i never said i was for it??

    I pay a ton of fucking taxes why would i want to pay more?? I always said i want accountability for where the funds are going when it comes to our health care system,...

    If you can find any reference that i am for tier system , that would be interesting, especially if i said the rich should go first??

    And you do understand how emergencies work here as well...

    Do you not remember my incidents with my kidneys i spoke about....

    Quickly i went to emerge because i was in a ton of pain, so the emerge ordered a ultra sound and gave me 20 percs and sent me home!!!, i was still in a ton of pain so i went to see my Urologists and he knew i was having the same issue as before , my ureter is very narrow so i can't pass stones, they get stuck and block the kidney functions...
    So he gave me more percs and set up an appointment for a CT scan. A day or 2 i got the confirmation and it was going to be 6 or 8 months as an outpatient!!!!!, i don't remember exactly how long Idol but it was crazy and for sure this problem was not going to go away without surgery!!!
    So i call the Urologists back and blasted him (He is a friend so not how you would think blasted) on how fucking long it was going to take!!!

    Anyways he was on call at the hospital that weekend we spoke, so he told me to go back into emerge and demand a CT scan for the problem, now once you have a evasive test it automatically triggers any specialists and bypasses the emerge doctors..
    I got the CT scan within a few hours and once my Urioligists saw it i was admitted for surgery!!!, now i did wait in emerge for like 28 hours til they had a fucking bed!!!, but i never left the hospital til i was pain free of some sorts, meaning you know how they have to remove the stone i assume ..

    So when you say that athletes get preferential treatment here?? Well my sons friend father is the Doctor for the Raptors, and he is connected to a hospital in Toronto, and it was an emergency right??

    And to let you know the same with day surgeries that are booked, they will be bumped if they are not considered emerge, for other patients that do have....

    Now when i was being wheeled into surgery, just to let you know there is at least 20 surgery rooms at York Central (Now called Mackenzi Health), and only 2 were available because there is only enough nurses to staff!!!, With paid insurance in the US in private hospitals, that doesn't happen buddy, there is tons of emerge nurses on call waiting !!!

    Do you understand that, Paid insurance vs Socialized Health care system is less waiting times for everything!!!!! And we and i assume we because i fucking pay a ton of taxes on everything to expect better socialized services!!!, But without knowing how it works or who you know that is not true here......

    Just saying....
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    "Jeff Bezos added $13 billion to his net worth in one day—and that's a record. Jeff Bezos had a pretty lucrative Monday. The billionaire Amazon CEO set a record when his net worth jumped by $13 billion in just one day, on Monday, according to Bloomberg".Jul 21, 2020.

    But all of society's ills are still poor people's fault.
    And we know that is a fictional number right, the money doesn't exists, it is part an evaluation of his companies value, the same you see the wealthy putting up there homes in California and New York to get the fuck out of there and move somewhere else, that doesn't mean they sell them for that amount right??

    Evaluations can change any time because they also said when Trump was kicked off all the media platforms they lost a ton of of that evaluation??

    You do have some idea how business works , and at one time Bozo's was considered the richest, he was bumped off by someone else....

    Now because he was successful and you didn't invent or do what he did you are not jealous are you?? You have the same opportunities he did?? There are millionaire success stories all the time, We do live in a Capitalist opportunity Society, again are you jealous??

    Do you expect him to pay for your lobster dinner Idol?? I don't understand what your thinking is sometimes, no one gave him what he has, and he can lose it all as well??

    Look at what some athletes make?? Do they deserve it?? Yet they are paid large right!!! Again are you Jealous of them?? Or if it was one of your kids happy for his success??


    The same who makes the evaluation of a property?? Why is it the same house in different areas is not the same evaluation?? Who decides??

    Why is a tomato 5 cents in 1967 and that same tomato is now $2?? Do you think it still should be 5 cents??

    My logic is you want or need to make money, go to fucking work or be lucky in investing!!! Or move to a Communists Socialists run Country?? And be the bottom of the food chain??

    Do you think that government should dictate who should be wealthy and who shouldn't??

    All kidding aside, i don't know what answer you are looking for, can you explain what you think people with wealth should do if they are already taxed at the highest levels?? You talk about greed what do you think should be done??

    I am being serious Idol, i am not sure what you think a perfect Capitalist society should look like??

    I will say that Money shouldn't be an influence to power!!, That i will say, but if they are providing for there family and having maybe a better life then others well??

    Am i missing something here, Please Explain??
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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Fun fact: If America's wealth was distributed equally, every man, woman and child would be worth $800k.
    That's a lot spending power to fuel the economy, not to mention a pretty big tax base.
    Something those who favor redistribution fail to note:

    Humans - the ones compelled to 'strive' - the ones who have, one way of another, accrued these fantastic amounts which foment such (again, very human) envy, will immediately commence rebuilding their empires, while others piss theirs away.

    Rinse, repeat...

    I suppose you could try to illegalize capitalism, but then you ferment such phenomena as organized crime, black markets, and shortages.

    Would that be preferable?

    I find myself wishing Ayn Rand had tumbled to a condensed version of Atlas Shrugged​, so more lazy people would read it.


    Anyway, Google Baraga County Manifesto and read.

    That's where I live.


    I'm beginning to favor secession; circumstances are ripe.
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    Lottery winners.......

    In Canada the lotteries the government takes there piece of the pie in the beginning before numbers are posted, hens tax free lotteries here, so should the winner that could become a millionaire, pay more taxes on that now??

    In the US it is not taxed in the beginning, but the winner loses a ton of that winnings in many ways of receiving it , again the government gets there piece of the pie!!!!

    So you think more should be taken away from the winner because they don't deserve it???

    The same with casino winnings/losses....

    In Canada it is tax free but the Government gets a big chunk of taxes from the Casino!!

    In the US they can apply there winnings and losses towards there income, and When a Canadian wins in the US over a certain amount they Tax it on the spot 30-40%!!!!!!Hens the Government gets there money!!!

    Yet in either place you are using money that was already taxed!!!

    So???

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    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2k4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Fun fact: If America's wealth was distributed equally, every man, woman and child would be worth $800k.
    That's a lot spending power to fuel the economy, not to mention a pretty big tax base.
    Something those who favor redistribution fail to note:
    Humans - the ones compelled to 'strive' - the ones who have, one way of another, accrued these fantastic amounts which foment such (again, very human) envy, will immediately commence rebuilding their empires, while others piss theirs away.
    Rinse, repeat...
    I suppose you could try to illegalize capitalism, but then you ferment such phenomena as organized crime, black markets, and shortages.
    Would that be preferable?

    I find myself wishing Ayn Rand had tumbled to a condensed version of Atlas Shrugged​, so more lazy people would read it.
    Anyway, Google Baraga County Manifesto and read.
    That's where I live.
    I'm beginning to favor secession; circumstances are ripe.
    Excellent points.....

    The same idea/concept of citizens investing in there own country instead of growing others for wealth...

    Now that concept is actually in my mind a type of Socialism, but will hopefully keep costs down on some consumer goods and stimulate the economy?? And become more of an independent Country....

    And especially take out the monopoly on essential goods from another country, that holds you hostage!!!!

    Actually Trumps thinking and actually very smart, considering China holds most of the worlds debt, and uses it as leverage.....

    But it is Socialists thinking not Capitalistic for sure..

    It is really funny that all these people think that Socialism and Communism is so wonderful, until you talk to people that actually lived it!!!

    There is 2 classes of people when it comes to that rich and powerful Government and there buddies, and poor the vast majority of the population!!!

    They didn't flee because everything was wonderful!!!, they fled because it was brutal, and wanted better for there families!!!

    That is plain Facts. When you mention those 2 words to them there face shows disgusts and fear!!! And they teach this shit in schools and University/Colleges, that it is so wonderful, yet people teaching it they live in a country and have the freedoms of the elite!!!!

    Sometimes it just makes zero sense to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Fun fact: If America's wealth was distributed equally, every man, woman and child would be worth $800k.
    That's a lot spending power to fuel the economy, not to mention a pretty big tax base.
    Fuck that. If I had 800k, I'm hiring an accountant so I don't have to pay tax.
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    Ghey lumberjacks, wolverines, blackflies in the summer, polar bears in the winter, that's basically Canada in a nutshell.

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    I believe the true condensed version of Ayn Rand is, "FUCK EVERYONE ELSE". Shit pseudo-philosophy mostly clung to by people wanting to justify greed and selfishness (a 'virtue').

    Yeah great, you are a 'producer' feeding on the labor, ideas, solutions, sacrifices, and time of everyone who you employ (most likely) using capital from inheritance, government loans/grants, or borrowed money from sources unavailable to the 'common' man.

    Start everyone out on an even playing field and see who 'rises'.
    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Ghey lumberjacks, wolverines, blackflies in the summer, polar bears in the winter, that's basically Canada in a nutshell.

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    Another thing, then:

    You've got your $800K, and guess what?

    You're at the bottom of the barrel, with everyone else - essentially, you're a minimum-wage earner.

    Feel better now?

    Make the minimum wage $15/hr, and all you've done is establish a new floor for the 'poverty' you decry; nothing has changed - only the number has changed.

    The industrious among us will soon move ahead as they always have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megabyteme View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IdolEyes787 View Post
    Fun fact: If America's wealth was distributed equally, every man, woman and child would be worth $800k.
    That's a lot spending power to fuel the economy, not to mention a pretty big tax base.
    Fuck that. If I had 800k, I'm hiring an accountant so I don't have to pay tax.
    Again is it not so simple to do that buddy, now if it is business Capital/Income yes you pay less tax, but once you remove it for your personal cost of living you fucking pay or you become a target of IRS audits

    Again that is why you do have to have the concept and understanding on how tax structures work to save or in some cases you could say use the loopholes..

    But don't ever think people can get away from paying taxes buddy, what is that saying the 2 constants are DEATH and TAXES
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    Quote Originally Posted by megabyteme View Post
    I believe the true condensed version of Ayn Rand is, "FUCK EVERYONE ELSE". Shit pseudo-philosophy mostly clung to by people wanting to justify greed and selfishness (a 'virtue').

    Yeah great, you are a 'producer' feeding on the labor, ideas, solutions, sacrifices, and time of everyone who you employ (most likely) using capital from inheritance, government loans/grants, or borrowed money from sources unavailable to the 'common' man.

    Start everyone out on an even playing field and see who 'rises'.
    Ayn Rand took too many pages to communicate that altruism, as a prime directive, fails, and it fails utterly.

    Those with the ideas will always employ others, unless you envision a world where everyone is his/her own boss, in which case I invite you to elucidate.

    As to your last statement, the same people will rise, and the "inheritance class" will be reborn.

    Humans be humans, you see.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

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