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    Global warming has had a surprising impact on the Great Lakes region of the U.S. – more snow. A comparative study of snowfall records in and outside of the Great Lakes region indicated a significant increase in snowfall in the Great Lakes region since the 1930s but no such increase in non-Great Lakes areas.
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    Syracuse, NY, one of the snowiest cities in the U.S., experienced four of its largest snowfalls on record in the 1990s – the warmest decade in the 20th century, ...

    “Recent increases in the water temperature of the Great Lakes are consistent with global warming,” said Burnett. “Such increases widen the gap between water temperature and air temperature – the ideal condition for snowfall.”

    The research team compared snowfall records from fifteen weather stations within the Great Lakes region with ten stations at sites outside of the region. Records dating back to 1931 were available for eight of the lake-effect and six of the non-lake-effect areas. Records for the rest of the sample date back to 1950.

    “We found a statistically significant increase in snowfall in the lake-effect region since 1931, but no such increase in the non-lake-effect area during the same period,” said Burnett. “This leads us to believe that recent increases in lake-effect snowfall are not the result of changes in regional weather disturbances.”
    Its interesting that the lake froze over implying that the water temp must have been low despite what that says. Global warming doesn't always mean warmer temperatures and drier weather, it means changes in weather patterns and an on average increase.

    On the subject of ice

    Originally posted by various

    The sea level along the coast of Maine has risen 30-50 cm since 1750 A.D. and along the coast of Nova Scotia as much as 60 cm.

    "In some glaciers, like the South Cascade Glacier in Washington ...  the present rate of melting is greater than it ever has been for the last 5,000 years."

    * Arctic temperatures during the late 20th century appear to have been the warmest in 400 years.

        * Satellite data suggest that the extent of snow cover has declined by 10 percent since the late 1960s.

        * Since the 1950s, the extent of northern hemisphere spring and summer sea-ice decreased by about 10 to 15 percent, and researchers have measured a decline of roughly 40 percent in the thickness of Arctic sea-ice during late summer and early autumn during the past several decades.

        * Since the 1950s, Alaska has warmed by an average of 4 degrees Fahrenheit.

        * Pine Island Glacier, part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, thinned by up to 1.6 meters (5.2 feet) per year between 1992 and 1999.

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    Originally posted by ilw@9 December 2003 - 12:22

    Its interesting that the lake froze over implying that the water temp must have been low despite what that says. Global warming doesn't always mean warmer temperatures and drier weather, it means changes in weather patterns. Note also that what they're arguing against is a speculative newspaper article and a hypothesis for a paper.   

    It is also noteworthy that Mother Nature doesn't read these studies or consult these scientists before she has her way.

    ilw and all the rest of you:

    We could bang on about this until the impending Ice Age.

    I move that we agree to disagree.

    I don't mind that you disagree, but "however-many" against "one" is tiring, and I would like to do other things with the little time we have left than debate this any further.

    I'll settle for the draw.
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

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    fine with me, I'll just keep my fingers crossed for some sort of sanctions / a change of government (opinion) across the pond.

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    Originally posted by ilw@9 December 2003 - 17:22
    Global warming doesn't always mean warmer temperatures and drier weather, it means changes in weather patterns and an on average increase.

    Sorry, I'm a reasonable man, but you cannot have that.

    I will allow you to twist logic, but that is just preposterous and quite frankly beyond the pale.

    Now do the decent thing and apologise to everyone who read the above sentence and recoiled in horror.

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    If we act to save New Orleans and/or Venice or any other coastal cities, we would be interfering with the "natural" course of events, not to mention risking massive violations of "Wetlands" legislation.

    How do you propose we work around these difficulties?

    Oh, you think im an environmentalist...

    Sorry to disappoint, but New Orleans etc comes way above "Wetlands" in my priorities.

    I just dont want to wade to work every morning, and am willing to come out of my comfort zone to some extent so i dont have to do this in my old age

    An It Harm None, Do What You Will

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    Would flooding in New Orleans reach as far as Newcastle.

    That puts a whole new perspective on it. Everyone switch of your computers, televisions, fridges, freezers and all electrical apparatus. We must conserve energy or the world is doo............

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    An It Harm None, Do What You Will

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    Originally posted by Rat Faced@9 December 2003 - 15:29
    If we act to save New Orleans and/or Venice or any other coastal cities, we would be interfering with the "natural" course of events, not to mention risking massive violations of "Wetlands" legislation.

    How do you propose we work around these difficulties?

    Oh, you think im an environmentalist...

    Sorry to disappoint, but New Orleans etc comes way above "Wetlands" in my priorities.

    I just dont want to wade to work every morning, and am willing to come out of my comfort zone to some extent so i dont have to do this in my old age
    Rat-

    How could you think that of me?

    To call you or anyone an environmentalist would be beyond me.

    I think you are just as crass as I am, and I mean that sincerely.
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    Then again, there are some cities on the planet that probably should be submerged.

    things are quiet until hitler decides he'd like to invade russia
    so, he does
    the russians are like "OMG WTF D00DZ, STOP TKING"
    and the germans are still like "omg ph34r n00bz"
    the russians fall back, all the way to moscow
    and then they all begin h4xing, which brings on the russian winter
    the germans are like "wtf, h4x"
    -- WW2 for the l33t

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    Originally posted by MagicNakor@11 December 2003 - 03:25
    Then again, there are some cities on the planet that probably should be submerged.

    Very true.

    A poll, perhaps?
    "Researchers have already cast much darkness on the subject, and if they continue their investigations, we shall soon know nothing at all about it."

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