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    French airline steward detained for nine months in US
    [Alex Lefebvre] jan.22.03


    A 25-year old French airline steward, Michael Philippe, was held for nine months in the US on trumped-up charges of terrorist activity. On a January 2002 London-to-Orlando, Florida flight he discovered messages written in liquid soap in an airplane bathroom. The messages were: “Bin Laden is the best, all Americans must die,” and “There is a bomb on board—Al-Qaida.”
    Philippe immediately notified the pilot, who landed in Reykjavik, Iceland. The plane was searched but no bombs were found, and the plane safely proceeded to Orlando.

    Two months later, on March 28, 2002, the FBI arrested Philippe at Newark International Airport, charging him with “threatening to use weapons of mass destruction to annihilate the United States.” In violation of US law, he was not read his rights at the time of his arrest. (...) On April 19 a judge, while noting that the charges against Philippe were highly circumstantial, claimed that his French citizenship made him a flight risk. He reset bail at $500,000 and insisted on jailing Philippe, despite his parents’ request that he be allowed to stay under electronic surveillance with a host family in Orlando.

    Thanks to a fundraising campaign in Philippe’s hometown of Aix-les-Bains in the Savoie district of southeastern France, his parents were able to post the $500,000 bail on April 22. On the 23rd Philippe was allowed to stay with the Orlando host family, but forced to wear an electronic bracelet enabling authorities to monitor his whereabouts.

    Philippe protested his innocence during the entire ordeal. His lawyer, Olivier Morice, commented at the time that he was “the victim of the law-and-order phobia which currently reigns [in the United States].”

    The FBI’s “evidence” against Philippe rested on four essential points: 1) Philippe’s fingerprints on the airplane bathroom mirror, 2) his fingerprints on a paper bag, 3) claims that handwriting analyses showed he had written the messages, 4) claims that inmates of an Orlando prison had heard him confess to having written the messages.

    Each point turned out to be either inconclusive or bogus.

    1) Philippe admitted to touching the mirror to determine the substance with which the message had been written. However, French police demonstrated that his fingerprints on the message were made when the soap had already dried, at least 13 minutes after the message was left.

    2) French police also demonstrated that the position of Philippe’s fingerprints on the bag were consistent with someone holding it to read the message, not someone writing on it. The French police pointed to an unidentified palm print in a position consistent with someone writing on the bag. The FBI did not investigate the palm print.

    3) The FBI initially relied on a private lab to certify that Philippe’s handwriting matched that on the bag. When a police lab in Orlando reanalyzed the sample, it claimed that the test was inconclusive because Philippe was altering his handwriting style. Philippe’s lawyer then hired two US experts, including the former national head of FBI handwriting analysis, who certified that Philippe’s handwriting did not match that on the bag, but that three passengers on the plane had similar handwriting, and that three other passengers were altering their handwriting in their handwriting samples.

    4) The FBI obtained statements from prison inmates concerning Philippe’s alleged confession during interviews that were not recorded, under circumstances that the FBI refused to describe to Philippe’s lawyer. Philippe’s parents claimed that their lawyer had shown one of the inmate’s stories to be bogus, and suggested that the FBI had offered to reduce inmates’ sentences in exchange for manufacturing evidence against their son. Other inmates maintain that Philippe never confessed.


    In December Philippe agreed to plead guilty to the charges. He explained: “I was told that the American justice system would never want to lose face by admitting its errors. The prosecutor harassed me and pressured me enormously. He threatened to bring new charges against me, with falsified evidence if necessary. If you are risking 15 years in jail without parole by pleading not guilty, but with parole by pleading guilty, the choice is easy.”

    As France-Amérique, the New York edition of the conservative French daily Le Figaro, dryly commented, “The honor of the American criminal justice system had been saved.”

    Philippe was sentenced to five years in jail with parole and a $176,000 fine, to be paid to his employer, the British airline Virgin Atlantic. He was released from jail shortly after the sentencing, but the fine still stands. In addition, the court is keeping $50,000 of the bail posted by his community.

    Philippe returned to Aix-les-Bains for Christmas and has vowed to fight the fine, saying, “I’ll never pay, I don’t have the money...I don’t have anything anymore, I’ve lost my job, I’m back to square one.”

    He added: “What happened to me was scandalous and unworthy of a great country... After what happened to me, I am never coming back to this country, which I loved and admired. I was persecuted, treated like dirt, maybe because I was French.”

    Source: http://www.numbmagazine.com/world_detained.html


    So will I be sued if I say that american justice is a complete moronic load of shit

    Well I've just said it


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    I was persecuted, treated like dirt, maybe because I was French.”
    Yes, most likely. Now shut the fuck up

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    Now b, that wasn't very nice....
    • ....it was funny though!

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    Originally posted by balamm@6 December 2003 - 15:53
    I was persecuted, treated like dirt, maybe because I was French.”
    Yes, most likely. Now shut the fuck up
    That's what I was talking about when I said "stupid yannkee" Here we got one!

    I'm sure he didn't even read the story.

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    You can't believe a word the French say, they said they didn't blow up the Rainbow Warrior.

    Then when their secret service was found to have done it, they threatened New Zealand with trade sanctions unless they released the murdering bastards who did it.

    I say, if he's French, he's probably guilty.



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    I'm Canadian actually but I too have had my fill of french whining.

    I'm kinda surrounded by them here as a matter of fact. My country is run by them even.

    Seems if they aren't drinking, plotting a sneaky underhanded coup, blowing up some tropical island, or whining, they aren't happy.

    It is a fact that france has produced some of the nastiest terrorists the world has seen. Hell, some of them are even employed by the french government. Remember GreenPeace?

    Your boy should just keep his mouth shut and do his little bit for world peace maybe.

    He did plead guilty after all.
    Make all the excuses you want after the fact, claim you were a chickenshit coward that has no convictions, the confession of guilt still stands.

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    stupid motherfuckers. whats the point who's ever heard of a french terrorist. they wont work for al-queda until they are made to speak french

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    Are you not aware that there are many french speaking arabs? Yes it's true.
    The international language of ..... ??? (you fill in the blanks )

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    Wow !

    You guys just spent a lot of energy on moving away from the subject.
    We are not talking about french policy which is of course bullshit in lots of ways (nuke stuff, ect) but about the usa justice.

    @ Ballam : You're just a basical racist personn or maybe you're just stupid & unaware of world events which would be an excuse. And I repeat: You should definately read a topic before posting your comments and quoting sentences which doesn't make sense picked out of their context.

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    Well maybe me reading it in english and you reading it in ??? is what the problem is.

    I think I was right on topic. Sure, call me a rascist because I see what's real and wrong with your "culture". Maybe if i said all french were fags or had no talent, you'd have a case. But I only pointed out what some of my your countrymen were good at , while pointing out that that same problem was a major annoyance in my country too.

    You started it anyway bud, with your topic title. And this other thing just cemented the deal >>

    So will I be sued if I say that american justice is a complete moronic load of shit 

    Well I've just said it 
    If you can't take it, don't shovel it

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