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Thread: How Can They Shut Down K++ Klite Users? Heres How

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    I posted this on the klite shutdown thread, but i feel it also needs its own topic.

    here we go.

    Gentlemen, ladies, we have a problem.

    read this, posted here

    Can Sharman Networks force Kazaa Lite K++ into extinction?
    Posted by Dan Bell on 08 December 2003 - 04:55 - Source: P2pnet


    There is an interview over at P2p.net with Slyck News Tom Mennecke, that gives us some more information on the recent Sharman and Kazaa Lite K++ conflict. He says that Sharman can and will systematically terminate Kazaa Lite K++. December 6th Slyck was reporting that almost every mirror for Kazaa Lite K++ had been eliminated. They say Sharman went to each ISP of every website that hosted Kazaa Lite K++ and ordered its removal via the DMCA. Kazaa Lite K++ has been replaced with links to eMule, BitTorrent and SoulSeek. We knew that but here is a further development. It would seem that even if the software is removed, since it uses a decentralised network it would still function. Mr. Mennecke has some troubling thoughts about that.


    "This is a gradual process," Slyck's Tom Mennecke told p2pnet. "It'll be at least a few weeks before the breakdown is complete."

    Back to the Slyck report, "A representative of Sharman Networks spoke to us on the condition of anonymity regarding their current campaign to vanquish Kazaa Lite K++," it says. "Not only has Sharman Networks succeeded in eliminating nearly every major resource of Kazaa Lite K++, they are systematically forcing it off the network. How you ask?

    "Recent upgrades to Kazaa clients (2.5 and higher) make them less tolerant with outdated or non official clients such as Kazaa Lite K++. Kazaa Lite is based on a version prior to 2.5, therefore a current supernode will not accept its shares. Although this will cause network headaches in terms of traffic, the client will not be able to participate or download off the main FastTrack network. This will effectively cluster and isolate all modified Kazaa clients from FastTrack.

    "Well, won't Kazaa Lite clients simply form their own sub-FastTrack network?

    "Sounds nice, but no. Unfortunately, the developers of Kazaa Lite helped Sharman out tremendously by disabling the supernode function. Very few users who run this client are acting as supernodes. A decentralized P2P network with all clients and no supernodes cannot exist. The effects of this extermination is already taking place, as search times and connection times are deteriorating compared to K+ (the legitimate spyware/adware free version of Kazaa.)

    "As time progresses, the Kazaa Lite K++ client will become so unusable that its populace will be driven off the network. This latest act from Sharman punctuates a long history of hypocrisy that involves the protection of their own intellectual property rights, yet blatantly ignoring the copyrights of others."


    I used the excellent Kazaa Lite for a very long time and enjoyed the lack of spyware and such...until the RIAA came along. Even though I don't use it anymore, I have never uninstalled it and it still sets on my Quick Launch Bar, can't bring myself to remove it. Now there is a battle on two fronts and it saddens me.

    I wouldn't think due to the RIAA, that there would be too many folks out there acting as supernodes anyway. They have been publicly targeted for months as candidates for subpoenas. So maybe Sharman can make Kazaa Lite K++ unusable, I don't know, hope not.

    Special thanks to P2P.net for bringing this to our attention and also Slyck News for the inside information. Feel free to discuss this issue in our Music Downloads, P2P and Legal Issues Forum.

    You can see clearly what we need to do. Eventually the k++ client will be on its own, forced off the 2.5 clients part of the network.

    The k++ users have to start acting as supernodes, apparently, in order for the k++ app to continue being functional.

    quite the conundrum.

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    Sounds to me like we need a few non-US residents becoming supernodes. Mind you, you don't have to be sharing the files to be a supernode anyway so shouldn't make any difference. Nice helpful suggestion they gave us.

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    My question is, if/when the development continues, can we get around this so called block of supernode shares, by kmd 2.5? If k++ cant, isnt really beneficiary to continue development?

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    Hopefully Sharman will not succeed. Indeed he's already desperate and some his clients are moving to Klite++.

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    Ill be a supernode tomorrow.

    Im getting 512/128 ADSL tomorrow, so ill turn on being a supernode.

    And im going to be downlaoding a lot of movies and crap as soon as i get adsl, and providing fast dl's (at least faster than now 56k)

    I live in australia, so im not going to be harrasted by capitilistic biatch's(Riaa)

    Ill go out in a blaze of gun fire if i get in shit for sharing, if only i could get a gun

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    "Well, won't Kazaa Lite clients simply form their own sub-FastTrack network?

    "Sounds nice, but no. Unfortunately, the developers of Kazaa Lite helped Sharman out tremendously by disabling the supernode function. Very few users who run this client are acting as supernodes. A decentralized P2P network with all clients and no supernodes cannot exist. The effects of this extermination is already taking place, as search times and connection times are deteriorating compared to K+ (the legitimate spyware/adware free version of Kazaa.)
    This is where Sharman's theory goes wrong.

    Kazaa Lite supernodes do exist and the number of them will grow. Kazaa Lite will form it's own (and better!&#33 network. Isn't that great?

    My theory:
    Sharman has shot themselves in the foot with this approach. Kazaa Lite will go on and the number of KaZaA users will shrink.

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    This is where Sharman's theory goes wrong.

    Kazaa Lite supernodes do exist and the number of them will grow. Kazaa Lite will form it's own (and better!&#33 network. Isn't that great?

    My theory:
    Sharman has shot themselves in the foot with this approach. Kazaa Lite will go on and the number of KaZaA users will shrink.
    There is only one problem with that. Don't you think K-lite users would be easily identifiable on the network, and therefore be targeted more aggressively by the RIAA and such?

    I hate to say it but K-Lite is becoming to much of a risk to use anymore. Atleast many people will go down fighting instead of giving up. It was good while it lasted, but all good things end at one point or another.

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    Originally posted by Xelotath@8 December 2003 - 16:07
    There is only one problem with that. Don't you think K-lite users would be easily identifiable on the network, and therefore be targeted more aggressively by the RIAA and such?

    That doesn't even matter, because as long as you're using the privacy patch then they can't get a list of all your shared files.

    The RIAA want easy targets, and the majority of "dumb" KMD users will still bear the brunt.

    If the kazaa-lite supernodes do exist, then this could be the best thing that's happened for a long-time.

    (IF the supernodes exist in big enough numbers )

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    the only good thing would be you could actually get new movies fast that savvy k-liters get from irc, newsgroups, bittorent, etc. downside is the majority of kazaa users are kmd users so they'll be a sharp decline in music and porn. i don't see kazaa numbers declining either to use k-lite. thousands of us vs millions who don't care about adware/ spyware isn't going to swell our ranks.

  10. File Sharing   -   #10
    Sharman is a fuckin delirious liar.If this is really true, then why would Sharman go to such great lengths to seek out and close down all K-Lite download sites, as well as search engines that might direct a surfer to such a download site? So, despite their claim, it looks like Sharman believes that they will be unable to shut out K-lite from the FT network or prevent K-lite from becoming a separate competing network.

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