Safe In Europe

[spanishpete]

in europe we have the court of human rights and these people are totally in favour of the general public, to give an example they say speed cameras impede your rights. if the lawyers tried to screw someone they would be shown the door over here thats why there have been no cases they are scared to do anything, just wait and see its the americans that are going to get roggered, they will not dare to touch europe.

[tracydani]

Originally posted by spanishpete@9 December 2003 - 23:15
ithats why there have been no cases they are scared to do anything, just wait and see its the americans that are going to get roggered, they will not dare to touch europe.

There have been no cases because the laws are just starting to change regarding p2p and copyright in europe. Give it time and I am sure you will see them. Just be patient

Europe will only not be touched if they all decide to move completely away from america and it's influence. Unless Bush really gets worse (assuming he's re-elected), I am sure europe, or most of it will fall in line.

Lets just hope america gets smart before too many people get hurt.

TD

[spanishpete]

in europe you dont seem to understand,there is no pressure from outside. this court has on a regular basis gone against goverments and won,they are a law unto themselvs, if a test case arose and the big boys were challenged they would lose this is why they dont try it on in europe. its only aol thats havving a rattle at the moment and they are in bed with the devil. please belive me the last thing these people want is a test case. i am afraid that its you americans that are gonnna get the crap and i feel for you but i think at the end of the day tou will have your way.

[tracydani]

Originally posted by spanishpete@9 December 2003 - 23:15
to give an example they say speed cameras impede your rights.

Maybe I'm still not understanding but I also live in europe. Recently my wife was caught by one of these cameras. They did not seem too concerned about her rights when they ticketed her

Maybe you can explain a little more, because I have seen nothing to convince me that europe will not crack down if enough pressure is put on them.

TD

[spanishpete]

it is a violation of your rights for the police to ask who was driving the car at the time. most people just put up their arms and admit it. you can get away with murder if you just deny it and challlenge them to prove it in court.

[tracydani]

Yeah, sure. But only if the photographic evidence does not prove it for them.

Even in the states they wouldn't fine you for speeding if they could not prove you were driving.

But I have seen recently, comercials or at least a news show about filesharing and the consequences here in germany.

I would love to think I will be safe here, but I don't believe it for a minute.

[spanishpete]

ask yourself one question why are the big boys not throwing their weight around in europe as in america when this ie europe is their biggest money making market. the price we pay for stuff is pound for doller. why then answer its because they are shit scared of the european court of human rights. if a test case arose they would be totally screwed.

[tracydani]

Do you really think the big boys in america are not throwing their weight around?

Remember this whole thing with sueing people in the states is new. It is just a matter of time before their influence is strong enough that they start moving into europe in mass through their european counterparts.

Remember, I didn't see the whole thing but I did see them discussing p2p and the results on tv here in germany. Showed a man cuffed and walking to his prison cell with the caption having to do with the results of p2p. Not in english, but in german.

I would love for you to provide evidence of some kind to set my mind at ease believe me.

But I think our only hope is for europe to hold out long enough for the states to wise up and find an alternate way to settle the whole copyright issue.

Oh yeah, do you really think Bush is afraid of the european court of human rights? If he believes p2p is a bad thing you had better watch out

TD

[SeK612]

No cases of Filesharing prosecution in Europe yet but there have been cases of ISP's sending cease and desist messages. If the RIAA are successful in there attempts to slow down and stop filesharing then I think we will see some form of court action in Europe and non U.S countries. Its worth bearing in mind that there are countrywide organizations that are similar to the American RIAA and its not out of the question that all of these organizations work together and pool resources to present an effective attack against filesharing (it depends on how serious they are about tackeling filesharing).

[spanishpete]

look the only people that are being nicked are proper pirates who sell for a profit stuff they have got from the internet at car boot sales ect. and these tossers deserve it. when it comes to proper sharing when no money changes hands its a different story. we could talk about this all night i just want to say i dont think people in europe have anything to be worried about. ps i live in spain and no body is worried down here.