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    I don't post this in order to provoke all kinds of anti-Bush responses, although I'm sure those will appear anyway.

    This is just a reminder of all the people who would now disavow their previous statements, and prefer people like me didn't have an archive.


    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to

    develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
    That
    is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
    clear. We
    want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass

    destruction program."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a
    great deal
    here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
    nuclear,
    chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
    greatest
    security threat we face."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
    times
    since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
    the U.S.
    Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
    appropriate,
    air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
    effectively to
    the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
    destruction
    programs."
    - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom
    Daschle, John
    Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of
    mass
    destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
    and he
    has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of
    mass
    destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his
    weapons
    programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
    programs
    continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition,
    Saddam
    continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the
    cover of a
    licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will
    threaten
    the United States and our allies."
    - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and
    others,
    December 5, 2001

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
    a
    threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
    mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
    destruction
    and the means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and
    chemical
    weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
    to
    deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
    Saddam is in
    power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
    developing
    weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are

    confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and

    biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
    to
    build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
    Intelligence
    reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
    authority
    to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I
    believe
    that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is
    a real
    and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
    aggressively
    to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons
    within the
    next five years ... We also should remember we have always
    underestimated
    the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
    destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11
    years, every
    significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
    destroy his
    chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he
    has
    refused to do" Rep.
    - Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
    show that
    Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
    weapons
    stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He
    has
    also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al
    Qaeda members
    .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
    continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
    warfare,
    and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
    Saddam
    Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
    for
    the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,

    murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
    particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
    miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
    his
    continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
    destruction
    ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction
    is real
    ..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003


    AND NOW THE DEMOCRATS CLAIM THAT PRESIDENT BUSH LIED TO US,THAT THERE
    NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF
    MASS DESTRUCTION AND THAT HE TOOK US TO WAR ALL FOR THE SAKE OF HIS OIL
    BUDDIES...
    “Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of 'em are stupider than that.” -George Carlin

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    We know the Democrats were making the same claims to make the illegal bombing of Iraq for the last Decade "palletable" to the public...

    Where do these people get their intelligence?

    Is it via the same channels as that controlled by the Whitehouse?

    The high ranking of both parties have always known the truth, im sure. The rest rely on what is told to them...just like the public.

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    Where do these people get their intelligence?
    They probably use google

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    Originally posted by j2k4@12 December 2003 - 16:40
    I don't post this in order to provoke all kinds of anti-Bush responses, although I'm sure those will appear anyway.

    This is just a reminder of all the people who would now disavow their previous statements, and prefer people like me didn't have an archive.
    I've got nothing against Bush, nothing against Bush at all

    Fact remains though, that this is not something that seems unique to Democrat propaganda, or even American politics, it seems almost second nature to political entities all over the world to shift the blame to another administration, and sometimes even, shamelessly, to use this in order to critisize the new government.

    Sometimes I think the parties in my country have allowed power to pass through their fingers in order to have someone else to blame for their own mistakes, come the next election.

    I meant to say all this from the start, pressing the reply button before I was finished was something of an accident, I understand what you want to say, J2k4

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    I would like to see some evidence. Even just one shred. That would be nice.

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    Originally posted by Rat Faced@12 December 2003 - 16:50
    We know the Democrats were making the same claims to make the illegal bombing of Iraq for the last Decade "palletable" to the public...
    I ask a genuine question, which illegal bombing was this and what law / jurisdiction was it contrary to ?

    If there was illegal bombing, why has no action been taken or has it ? Is some action proposed ?

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    Originally posted by Lamsey@12 December 2003 - 12:46
    I would like to see some evidence. Even just one shred. That would be nice.
    Not my point, Liam, as I'm sure you realize.

    These people have just chosen to speak out of the other side of their mouths, and our press seems to have forgotten where these individuals "stood" originally.

    Does your press do this, too?

    I find this inexcusable, especially during our Democrat presidential debates.

    Rat-

    I must ask, as J'Pol does:

    What illegal bombing?

    By whose standards illegal?

    Do you speak of Israeli actions?
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    With regards to illegal bombing I would hazard that only those who lose a conflict conduct such activities - winners merely have incidents they would prefer to forget.

    With reference to J2K4's observation that opinion on Iraq's WMD (and whether they posed a threat or not) goes back a long way, is perfectly valid.

    I think probably the big difference between Bush and those that went before is that he was prepared to go to war over the issue. History will determine whether this was wise or not. With regards the WMD issue, if they are not found then some intelligence officials will probably get the blame for mis-informing the politicians. Polticians rarely take the blame if they can possibly help it.

    One can criticise Bush on a number of points but it is neither fair or honest to imply he has a monopoly on error and incorrect information.

    We all participate fully.
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    illegal nor not, American committed an invasion of iraq without UN sanction or approval.

    the US congress "made it" legal, although I doubt the "legality" of US millitary actions in Iraq.

    The Bush Govn. failed to demonstrate to the world that Iraq has, indeed, weapon of mass destruction, and still fails to find it to date. And what gives the US the right to invade Iraq in the first place?

    looks to me the US govn is just looking for an excuse to remove a dictator by force, lead by a leader who has personal vendetta against the former leader of Iraq.


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    Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+13 December 2003 - 01:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 13 December 2003 - 01:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Rat Faced@12 December 2003 - 16:50
    We know the Democrats were making the same claims to make the illegal bombing of Iraq for the last Decade "palletable" to the public...
    I ask a genuine question, which illegal bombing was this and what law / jurisdiction was it contrary to ?

    If there was illegal bombing, why has no action been taken or has it ? Is some action proposed ? [/b][/quote]
    Is it legal to invade another country just because a few leaders say it is?

    The excuse for going in was that Iraq had WMD&#39;s, that they could be deployed in 45 minutes, and that he was prepared to use them. None of these has been proven.

    So was it illegal? The same question can be asked the other way round; is there any proof it was legal?

    As for the Republican &#092; Democrat thing, I think you&#39;ll find the rest of the world hardly distinguishes between the two.



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