Death Penalty

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Billy_Dean+2 January 2004 - 07:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Billy_Dean @ 2 January 2004 - 07:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Busyman
@hobbes - I think there are folks put to death that are innocent, that is why I think death should be carried out:

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Read the rest of the post Billy.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by jerome18+2 January 2004 - 08:21--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jerome18 @ 2 January 2004 - 08:21)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by vidcc@2 January 2004 - 08:09
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@2 January 2004 - 08:01
she got alot of wisdom in her im totally agree wit you ,only GOD can kill the living

so are murderers god ?

Ask God that question and he&#39;ll answer it for you [/b][/quote]
is he a member of this forum then ? i know there are some that like to think they are him

[j2k4]

Originally posted by vidcc+2 January 2004 - 13:30--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (vidcc &#064; 2 January 2004 - 13:30)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by jerome18@2 January 2004 - 08:21

Originally posted by vidcc@2 January 2004 - 08:09
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@2 January 2004 - 08:01
she got alot of wisdom in her im totally agree wit you ,only GOD can kill the living

so are murderers god ?

Ask God that question and he&#39;ll answer it for you

is he a member of this forum then ? i know there are some that like to think they are him[/b][/quote]
A few things go through my head while reading this:

What if God is acting through the Justice system, humans being the conduits by which His desires are, ahem...executed?

He does act in mysterious ways, you know.

How would humans request a "rush disposition" on a particularly deserving individual?



I know, I know.....nevermind.

All this flailing about over the question.

Is it punishment we desire?

Revenge?

Rehabiliation?

Why don&#39;t we separate the wheat from the chaff, here?

There are people posting who probably think even a slap on the wrist is too harsh; also some who bring the Lord into this argument when they would avoid doing so at all costs if we were arguing about abortion or euthanasia.

You can&#39;t have it both ways-how about some consistency from the wishy-washy contingent?

(Not you, J&#39;Pol-you are, as usual, the epitome of consistancy on matters religious )

[vidcc]

euthanasia &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; now there is a very good subject to debate (but i bet it&#39;s been done to death on the forum) pun intended

[Biggles]

There are a lot of interesting comments above (and a few I don&#39;t really understand).

I am with J&#39;Pol on this one. Yes there are despicable people who have commited awful crimes. However, I believe their execution brutalises us not them.

A number of hypothetical situations have been posed (some of which lead me to conclude that some board members live in a war zone). I don&#39;t think there is any evidence to suggest the death penalty prevents murders. Did Al Capone and his contempories worry overly or did they just ensure that there were no living witnesses? 1920s Chicago was a pretty rough place by all accounts - possibly still is.

If. as I believe, the death penalty serves no useful purpose as a deterrant the debate comes down purely to how society is best served by its penal code. If society is brutalised by its own codes such as Nazi Germany was, then that very code corrupts society even further. Perhaps this explains the divergence of thinking between Europe and the US on this matter. We have been to a place that is far worse than where the US currently is and subsequently have made a conscious decision never to re-visit that place, no matter how diluted. This is a key factor to the abolition of the death penalty being a pre-requisite for any country wishing to join the EU.

[J'Pol]

Biggles

1920s Chicago was a pretty rough place by all accounts - possibly still is.

I don&#39;t think 20s Chicago is as bad as it was.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@2 January 2004 - 15:39
Biggles

1920s Chicago was a pretty rough place by all accounts - possibly still is.

I don&#39;t think 20s Chicago is as bad as it was.

I can vouch for the fact.

[ZeroTolerance]

Originally posted by j2k4+2 January 2004 - 18:15--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4 &#064; 2 January 2004 - 18:15)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by vidcc@2 January 2004 - 13:30

Originally posted by jerome18@2 January 2004 - 08:21

Originally posted by vidcc@2 January 2004 - 08:09
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@2 January 2004 - 08:01
she got alot of wisdom in her im totally agree wit you ,only GOD can kill the living

so are murderers god ?

Ask God that question and he&#39;ll answer it for you

is he a member of this forum then ? i know there are some that like to think they are him

A few things go through my head while reading this:

What if God is acting through the Justice system, humans being the conduits by which His desires are, ahem...executed?

He does act in mysterious ways, you know.

How would humans request a "rush disposition" on a particularly deserving individual?



I know, I know.....nevermind.

All this flailing about over the question.

Is it punishment we desire?

Revenge?

Rehabiliation?

Why don&#39;t we separate the wheat from the chaff, here?

There are people posting who probably think even a slap on the wrist is too harsh; also some who bring the Lord into this argument when they would avoid doing so at all costs if we were arguing about abortion or euthanasia.

You can&#39;t have it both ways-how about some consistency from the wishy-washy contingent?

(Not you, J&#39;Pol-you are, as usual, the epitome of consistancy on matters religious ) [/b][/quote]
thats a possibllity but God would of said it in the Bible if another man shall have the right to kill another man and one of the ten commanments God gave Moses on Mount Sinai is thy shall not kill ex:20:1-17 Deut5:6 21..... do this apply to the court justice system?


And some convicts are in their are innocence and its hard to believe but some times they excute innocence people&#33; Now do you agree with the death penality? Because you can be that innocence person who hasnt commited a crime in your whole lifetime but the courts say you killed somebody and have to die but one thing your {innocence}.&#33;

Its been proven that some people in jail are innocence because of DNA testing was not availble back in the day, just image how many more innocence people are in jail?&#33;




btw im not saying all inmates or convicts are innocence or gulity im just saying God would not approve of these drastic measures tooken today to kill somebody by electric chairs, and etc etc...

These are my opinions you can like it or hate it , but really dont care

[vidcc]

ok i&#39;m going to say it upfront....i doubt there is a god...i could be wrong but it&#39;s my view. the bible you quote wasn&#39;t written by god (if he exists) it was written by men and men as we all know are open to misinterpretaion.
i admire your beliefs and in no way dissaproove of them but unless you actually have had a chat with god you are quoting the words of men when you quote the bible. now i realise that this will provoke outrage however it is not supposed to.
i wish i had religion but i have seen too many bad things in this world and justification by "well god has a reason" just makes me doubt more.
please read all the post...i said i doubt...i didn&#39;t say there definately isn&#39;t so i don&#39;t need lots of replies telling me there is.

[ZeroTolerance]

Originally posted by vidcc@2 January 2004 - 21:13
ok i&#39;m going to say it upfront....i doubt there is a god...i could be wrong but it&#39;s my view. the bible you quote wasn&#39;t written by god (if he exists) it was written by men and men as we all know are open to misinterpretaion.
i admire your beliefs and in no way dissaproove of them but unless you actually have had a chat with god you are quoting the words of men when you quote the bible. now i realise that this will provoke outrage however it is not supposed to.
i wish i had religion but i have seen too many bad things in this world and justification by "well god has a reason" just makes me doubt more.
please read all the post...i said i doubt...i didn&#39;t say there definately isn&#39;t so i don&#39;t need lots of replies telling me there is.

you know what......thats brave for you to come out in and say that you doubt their is a God, but i respect that becuase you keep it real. My question for you is do you think thier is a Devil and if you say yes then thier definalty has to be a God its just has to be. If you dont believe in A {god} just pray and be commited to your religion and you will be see things change in your life. This may sound stupid but im going to say it anyway, when i was around 16,17 now im 18 , i use to have demons visit me in my dreams and when im half awake because i was doing wrong in my life and all types of stuff like stealing .lying .,fighting and all stuff of things thats when i said man...... i cant have these demons visit me in my dreams and when im half awake so i went to church since then and the demons have left my life and i sleep with my Bible so it wil protect me....this may sound stupid or ludcris but its the truth in my life.