Death Penalty

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by Busyman+7 January 2004 - 22:28--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 7 January 2004 - 22:28)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@7 January 2004 - 22:12
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman

@7 January 2004 - 06:59

I&#39;d love to get rid of the death penalty but right now we cannot.

We have in the UK.

I do not think our instances of murder are any higher than those places where the death penalty still exists.

I agree J&#39;Pol.

Your instances of murder are not higher than those states in the US.
That is why we shouldn&#39;t get rid of the death penalty. [/b][/quote]
You appear to think that the state taking lives reduces the murder rate.

I disagree and prefer to live in a less barbaric society.

I am happy for us to agree our differences.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol+8 January 2004 - 02:00--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (J&#39;Pol @ 8 January 2004 - 02:00)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Busyman@7 January 2004 - 22:28

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@7 January 2004 - 22:12
<!--QuoteBegin-Busyman

@7 January 2004 - 06:59

I&#39;d love to get rid of the death penalty but right now we cannot.

We have in the UK.

I do not think our instances of murder are any higher than those places where the death penalty still exists.

I agree J&#39;Pol.

Your instances of murder are not higher than those states in the US.
That is why we shouldn&#39;t get rid of the death penalty.

You appear to think that the state taking lives reduces the murder rate.

I disagree and prefer to live in a less barbaric society.

I am happy for us to agree our differences. [/b][/quote]
I, this time, was being waggish.

The death penalty is not the end and the beginning.
You live in the UK, I live in the US.

Your instances of murder to mine are mere correlation; not cause and effect.

One would wonder if after 20 more years would your murder rate be higher or lower.

[J'Pol]

Busyman

I can honestly say that I do not have the foggiest idea what that post is intended to mean.

I assume you question the long term benefits of our policy, with regard to the state killing it&#39;s citizens, or not as the case may be.

As I understand your question, my answer is - 40 years so far, still no adverse effects of removing the death penalty.

So far so good. You really should give it a try.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@8 January 2004 - 02:34
Busyman

I can honestly say that I do not have the foggiest idea what that post is intended to mean.

I assume you question the long term benefits of our policy, with regard to the state killing it&#39;s citizens, or not as the case may be.

As I understand your question, my answer is - 40 years so far, still no adverse effects of removing the death penalty.

So far so good. You really should give it a try.

How can you not have the "foggiest idea" and still have
"I assume you question" and "As I understand your question".




What adverse effects would there be?

I&#39;ll admit I didn&#39;t know how long the death penalty was abolished but I don&#39;t know your murder rate either.

For all I know your murder rate is super low compared to ours.
Is this the result of NOT having the death penalty I wouldn&#39;t think so.


Point being...you are in the UK I am in the US.
different cultures
different way of life

What works for you may not work for Saudi Arabia.

De yoi unfertsnd mi niw?

(probably not)

[oldmancan]

Folks, thanks for sharing. This has been one of the most provocative threads I have participated in. I am firm on my position as posted previously. I support the death penalty as punishment in principle.

What I have come to realize is I am glad that I live in a society that has chosen not to exercise such recourse. As a democratic society the decision to abolish the death penalty was made. I support that decision just as strongly as I support the opinion that society had the right (not obligation) to use the death penalty as a punishment in the first place.

I think that the civilized/humane issue still remains more of a "means than ends" one. It is more how the death penalty is carried out than the fact that it was carried out.

One little aside. I can&#39;t provide any support, but I remember something from World Religions, Grade 11. According to an instructor the original text of the Ten Commandments did not say "Thou Shalt Not Kill", rather the commandment was "Thou Shalt Not Murder".

cheers, omc

[J'Pol]

I, this time, was being waggish.

The death penalty is not the end and the beginning.
You live in the UK, I live in the US.

Your instances of murder to mine are mere correlation; not cause and effect.

One would wonder if after 20 more years would your murder rate be higher or lower.

Genuinely not trying to be obtuse (a tautology I know) I really don&#39;t think it was that clear. So I tried to decipher the point, say what I thought it meant and reply to that.

It seemed like a reasonable course to take. If it was not, my apologies.

[Busyman]

No prob J&#39;Pol

[hobbes]

"Until death does us part"

That is the true penalty&#33;