Death Penalty

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by clocker+6 January 2004 - 01:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 6 January 2004 - 01:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-l_p_4_7@5 January 2004 - 17:14
IMO the death penalty is the equivilent of fighting fire with fire.

Terrible analogy.
IRL, you DO "fight fire with fire" effectively.

Have you any proof to support the contention that criminals spend any time at all "thinking of what they have done" beyond "Damn, I wish I hadn&#39;t gotten caught"?[/b][/quote]
I have - It&#39;s common sense that they would.

[spazola]

i think a quote from shawshank redemption would be best placed here

"Outside I was an honest guy. I had to go to prison to become a crook."
For some criminals I think it&#39;s best just to give them what they deserve.

[clocker]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@5 January 2004 - 18:23

I have - It&#39;s common sense that they would.

That may be the case, however anyone who puts such high stock on "common sense" deserves little attention given to their opinion.

And to think...I didn&#39;t even have to provide the petard.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@6 January 2004 - 02:23

I have - It&#39;s common sense that they would.

J&#39;Pol comes off waggish actually considering his previous posts.

That was done for my benefit. I&#39;m glad you responded first clocker, for I previously was not.

[J'Pol]

Originally posted by clocker+6 January 2004 - 04:23--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker @ 6 January 2004 - 04:23)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-J&#39;Pol@5 January 2004 - 18:23

I have - It&#39;s common sense that they would.

That may be the case, however anyone who puts such high stock on "common sense" deserves little attention given to their opinion.

And to think...I didn&#39;t even have to provide the petard. [/b][/quote]
Oh and the irony of my post was lost on you - I think not my shiny nappered friend.

[l_p_4_7]

Originally posted by clocker+5 January 2004 - 23:27--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (clocker &#064; 5 January 2004 - 23:27)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-l_p_4_7@5 January 2004 - 17:14
IMO the death penalty is the equivilent of fighting fire with fire.

Terrible analogy.
IRL, you DO "fight fire with fire" effectively.

Have you any proof to support the contention that criminals spend any time at all "thinking of what they have done" beyond "Damn, I wish I hadn&#39;t gotten caught"? [/b][/quote]
You don&#39;t think that murdering a murderer is hypocritical in the slightest?

It&#39;s the same scenario as what victims of bullying are usually told:

"If he/she hits you, hit him/her back."

Does this solve the problem or does it merely escalate and make it worse?

Edit: I&#39;m not saying that emprisonment, or for that matter any other punishment is truly effective in all given circumstances but all I&#39;m saying is that IMO the death penalty is unlawful and in the most part, contradictory of what is trying to be achieved.

[J'Pol]

And then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like

Originally posted by l_p_4_7@6 January 2004 - 23:39
.... but all I&#39;m saying is that IMO the death penalty is unlawful ....

Whether a punishment for a crime, decided upon by the legislators and administered by a judge, then subject to the appeals procedures is not a matter for your opinion. No matter in what high esteem you hold it.

Such a pity, after the rest of the post.

[l_p_4_7]

mur·der
n

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Question:
Is the death penalty not murder? Or am I under false pretences?

[Biggles]

lp47

It is what is called the small print

The rule is "Thou shalt not kill"

There are then umpteen codicils in which it is perfectly alright to kill (apparently) From adultery to disobeying your parents (as Biblical examples)

By the time you get to the 18th century in England there were, if I recall correctly, over 110 things you could be legally killed for; including eating swan.

It is funny old world.

However, I have not actually seen any evidence that such draconian measures ever really deterred crime.

Billy, I am sorry to say I don&#39;t think the law stopped you killing, but rather it was basic human decency. Incidently, if you are interested, I think jail terms for murder in the UK have nigh on doubled. Having said that it always was possible to issue long sentences. Hindly and Brady got "life", has have a number of other dangerous psychopaths over the years.

There are 6 billion people on this planet (which is what I think you meant) the number who kill do not follow the penal codes of the region they live in. If this were the case there would be more murders in countries with no death penalty than in those with - I have seen not a single shred of evidence to suggest that this is the case.

Indeed, the contrary appears to be the case. I don&#39;t believe that the death penalty causes crime, but clearly other factors are at work in those societies and that problems within those societies require the retention of more barbaric customs (for the moment).

[l_p_4_7]

"An eye for an eye and the world soon goes blind."