Am I The Only One?...

[blackerdays]

Ok RIAA guy, just like ijc said, the cost of making CDs is less but the record industry charges more than when you packaged CDs in those long cardboard boxes.
$18 sometimes for a single CD?

KISS MY ASS

I do buy CDs that are good in almost their entirety. One hit wonders get the fart. 

Let's see how you feel when technology catches up to the way you make a living or when you make a living. The same reason you gave for stealing music might just bite you in the ass later. Your boss or future boss may feel that $6.00 an hour is too much to pay you. Instead he'll simply replace you with a computer program that is much cheaper and more reliable. Let me guess, you don't care. Let's see what happens when you actually confront reality and it happens to you.

[Adster]

Originally posted by Busyman+23 December 2003 - 23:56--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 23 December 2003 - 23:56)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Adster@23 December 2003 - 10:49
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@23 December 2003 - 20:25
What if no-one bought music Cd&#39;s, then what ??

then of course there would be no file sharing

and BTW we are not stealing music

we buy the blank CDR

we pay our ISP to do what we want

We listen to the music to support the artist and spread the word of mouth about how good they are etc.

which also help for them to sell more shows

I hate ppl who say its stealing pisses me off

uhhh....sorry Ad IT IS&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Man you are in denial.
I download shit too but it is stealing.
Your ISP nor the cost of blank CD-Rs pay the record companies.



Listening does support the artist monetarily. The artist doesn&#39;t give 2 shits if he ain&#39;t making any money. You sound whimsical. [/b][/quote]
IT is NOT stealing
I am supporting the artist by listening to their music

If I was an artist OK would I rather somebody who can&#39;t afford Cd&#39;s to download it all just sit on their ass and not bother hearing my music???

you choose I think you would know what my choose would be

[Adster]

Originally posted by blackerdays@24 December 2003 - 15:21

Ok RIAA guy, just like ijc said, the cost of making CDs is less but the record industry charges more than when you packaged CDs in those long cardboard boxes.
&#036;18 sometimes for a single CD?

KISS MY ASS

I do buy CDs that are good in almost their entirety. One hit wonders get the fart.

Let&#39;s see how you feel when technology catches up to the way you make a living or when you make a living. The same reason you gave for stealing music might just bite you in the ass later. Your boss or future boss may feel that &#036;6.00 an hour is too much to pay you. Instead he&#39;ll simply replace you with a computer program that is much cheaper and more reliable. Let me guess, you don&#39;t care. Let&#39;s see what happens when you actually confront reality and it happens to you.

that already has been happening for years

your forgettign 1 thing

Music is abotu Entertainemtn NOT money

[Busyman]

Originally posted by blackerdays@24 December 2003 - 05:21

Ok RIAA guy, just like ijc said, the cost of making CDs is less but the record industry charges more than when you packaged CDs in those long cardboard boxes.
&#036;18 sometimes for a single CD?

KISS MY ASS

I do buy CDs that are good in almost their entirety. One hit wonders get the fart.

Let&#39;s see how you feel when technology catches up to the way you make a living or when you make a living. The same reason you gave for stealing music might just bite you in the ass later. Your boss or future boss may feel that &#036;6.00 an hour is too much to pay you. Instead he&#39;ll simply replace you with a computer program that is much cheaper and more reliable. Let me guess, you don&#39;t care. Let&#39;s see what happens when you actually confront reality and it happens to you.

Hey blacker
Lower the cost of CDs then we&#39;ll talk further.

I get CD-Rs almost free so I know record companies pay next to nothing PER CD.
The whole manufacturing process is less than when vinyl was out.
Furthermore you have RAISED the cost of CDs to the consumer more than when they were first in record stores.

That&#39;s called pricing yourself out of business.

I almost forgot about the scandel of price-fixing and collusion between the record companies and record stores keeping the prices high across the board.

And there will always be a need for communications technicians ma&#39;am to which I am.
Who&#39;s gonna hook up your precious T-1 or better yet repair it when lightning burns up your smartjack.

I happen to make music myself and still hate you greedy fucks.

"Record company people are shadyyyyy"
"So kids watch your back cause&#39; I think they smoke crack"
"I don&#39;t doubt it, look how they act"

Q-Tip, A Tribe Called Quest

[blackerdays]

i dont buy anything because your all getting conned, when i was younger i bought alot of cds lp and videos now as technoligy has moved its way cheaper to produce
but the price has went up in the actual stores,

also remember who made the indusrtrys they are today, all of your parents and their parents including mine my dad has over 200 Vinyl lps and he had 5 brothers
who had vast collections to, so instead of ripping from vinyl i rather download them all again for him, save me the time as people have alreready done it for me.

how many times are we going to see elvis appearing in new unreleased albums and the beatles2 the music industry is sucking you dry,

You have some good points. But, what is anything reallly worth? I&#39;ll tell you. It&#39;s worth whatever people are willing to pay. In a sense it&#39;s good that file sharing exists. It&#39;s competition and competition levels the playing field. But, again, How would you feel if the way you made a living was affected by this technology. I&#39;m sure you would feel different. And, about the re-issues, they are for the new fans that may have not been around when the original albums were released. Yes the record companies make more money, but the consumer can choose not to buy. In some rare cases the original albums are no longer available. Another example. U2 has been around for a long time. I just got into them. I like the song New Years Day. Instead of buying everything that U2 released I could purchase the "best of" albums. And, if i really like them, I&#39;ll start buying the rest of there catalogue. With all this said, I too, think that cd and dvd prices are a bit high and the industry does take advantage of the buying public, however, there will always be the few apples that will spoil the bunch in every possible situation where money is exchanged and made.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by Adster+24 December 2003 - 05:34--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Adster &#064; 24 December 2003 - 05:34)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Busyman@23 December 2003 - 23:56

Originally posted by Adster@23 December 2003 - 10:49
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@23 December 2003 - 20:25
What if no-one bought music Cd&#39;s, then what ??

then of course there would be no file sharing

and BTW we are not stealing music

we buy the blank CDR

we pay our ISP to do what we want

We listen to the music to support the artist and spread the word of mouth about how good they are etc.

which also help for them to sell more shows

I hate ppl who say its stealing pisses me off

uhhh....sorry Ad IT IS&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
Man you are in denial.
I download shit too but it is stealing.
Your ISP nor the cost of blank CD-Rs pay the record companies.



Listening does support the artist monetarily. The artist doesn&#39;t give 2 shits if he ain&#39;t making any money. You sound whimsical.

IT is NOT stealing
I am supporting the artist by listening to their music

If I was an artist OK would I rather somebody who can&#39;t afford Cd&#39;s to download it all just sit on their ass and not bother hearing my music???

you choose I think you would know what my choose would be[/b][/quote]

your forgettign 1 thing

Music is abotu Entertainemtn NOT money

That&#39;s a rather communist thought; I&#39;ll just make music for nothing but to please Adster and the masses.
Sure I enjoy making the music but hell I can&#39;t make money off of it.
Sorry Ad but this and your first statement are very ignorant.

This blacker guy is obviously RIAA but I can&#39;t in good conscience say it isn&#39;t stealing.

If all P2P networks are shut-down I promise you that I still won&#39;t buy anymore piece-of-shit overpriced CDs.

[Adster]

Originally posted by blackerdays@24 December 2003 - 15:47

i don&#39;t buy anything because your all getting conned, when i was younger i bought alot of Cd&#39;s lp and videos now as technoligy has moved its way cheaper to produce
but the price has went up in the actual stores,

also remember who made the indusrtrys they are today, all of your parents and their parents including mine my dad has over 200 Vinyl lps and he had 5 brothers
who had vast collections to, so instead of ripping from vinyl i rather download them all again for him, save me the time as people have alreready done it for me.

how many times are we going to see elvis appearing in new unreleased albums and the beatles2 the music industry is sucking you dry,

You have some good points. But, what is anything reallly worth? I&#39;ll tell you. It&#39;s worth whatever people are willing to pay. In a sense it&#39;s good that file sharing exists. It&#39;s competition and competition levels the playing field. But, again, How would you feel if the way you made a living was affected by this technology. I&#39;m sure you would feel different. And, about the re-issues, they are for the new fans that may have not been around when the original albums were released. Yes the record companies make more money, but the consumer can choose not to buy. In some rare cases the original albums are no longer available. Another example. U2 has been around for a long time. I just got into them. I like the song New Years Day. Instead of buying everything that U2 released I could purchase the "best of" albums. And, if i really like them, I&#39;ll start buying the rest of there catalogue. With all this said, I too, think that cd and dvd prices are a bit high and the industry does take advantage of the buying public, however, there will always be the few apples that will spoil the bunch in every possible situation where money is exchanged and made.

IF your going to be a musician like me in this day in age you SHOULD know what your getting yourself into with technology and stuff it is up to the musician to find themselves another job which will pay will if there music isn&#39;t paying enough.

fuck I mean how much do these top 40 crap bullshit artists make?? and it&#39;s those bands that are bitching the most aka Metallica

So if your thinking of making a living out of music its your choose you know what your getting yourself into.

Like starting your own business or buying a house you know what could happen you could get broken into etc or go plain BUST its the Artist Responsibility of what there getting into if they don&#39;t expect it then there not smart enough

[masta.z]

hmmmm, firstly, i buy CD&#39;s whenever i can afford them, and if i didn&#39;t download albums then i wouldn&#39;t be able to afford them so wouldn&#39;t buy them... so tell me, exactly how do the groups lose out here when i download their music?? secondly, blank cd&#39;s cost next to nothing yet the record labels charge extortionate amounts of money for CD&#39;s and keep most of it for themselves with the artist&#39;s making very little from CD&#39;s sales and i&#39;ll be f**ked if am givin all ma money to already too rich record labels, and thirdly I&#39;ll goto concerts to support an artist where they atleast get more than 5% from sales.... also, true musicians and artists (of any kind) do what they do for the love of their artform (music in this case) and the people that are only in it for the money and nothing else aren&#39;t worth giving your money to
peace,
Masta.z&#33;

[blackerdays]

Hey blacker
Lower the cost of CDs then we&#39;ll talk further.

I get CD-Rs almost free so I know record companies pay next to nothing PER CD.
The whole manufacturing process is less than when vinyl was out.
Furthermore you have RAISED the cost of CDs to the consumer more than when they were first in record stores.

That&#39;s called pricing yourself out of business.

I almost forgot about the scandel of price-fixing and collusion between the record companies and record stores keeping the prices high across the board.

And there will always be a need for communications technicians ma&#39;am to which I am.
Who&#39;s gonna hook up your precious T-1 or better yet repair it when lightning burns up your smartjack.

I happen to make music myself and still hate you greedy fucks.

"Record company people are shadyyyyy"
"So kids watch your back cause&#39; I think they smoke crack"
"I don&#39;t doubt it, look how they act"

Q-Tip, A Tribe Called Quest

The need for technicians is a great thing. You are still just thinking of yourself and your field makes you biased. I&#39;m in no way opposed to you making money. However there can be only so many technicians. For the record, I would be a sir and not a ma&#39;am.

that already has been happening for years

your forgettign 1 thing

Music is abotu Entertainemtn NOT money

Without money, you remove incentive. Try working for free. What&#39;s wrong with your favorite group or artist(s) making money? You can still love what you do and make money.

[Busyman]

Originally posted by blackerdays@24 December 2003 - 06:04

Hey blacker
Lower the cost of CDs then we&#39;ll talk further.

I get CD-Rs almost free so I know record companies pay next to nothing PER CD.
The whole manufacturing process is less than when vinyl was out.
Furthermore you have RAISED the cost of CDs to the consumer more than when they were first in record stores.

That&#39;s called pricing yourself out of business.

I almost forgot about the scandel of price-fixing and collusion between the record companies and record stores keeping the prices high across the board.

And there will always be a need for communications technicians ma&#39;am to which I am.
Who&#39;s gonna hook up your precious T-1 or better yet repair it when lightning burns up your smartjack.

I happen to make music myself and still hate you greedy fucks.

"Record company people are shadyyyyy"
"So kids watch your back cause&#39; I think they smoke crack"
"I don&#39;t doubt it, look how they act"

Q-Tip, A Tribe Called Quest

The need for technicians is a great thing. You are still just thinking of yourself and your field makes you biased. I&#39;m in no way opposed to you making money. However there can be only so many technicians. For the record, I would be a sir and not a ma&#39;am.

that already has been happening for years

your forgettign 1 thing

Music is abotu Entertainemtn NOT money

Without money, you remove incentive. Try working for free. What&#39;s wrong with your favorite group or artist(s) making money? You can still love what you do and make money.

Ad&#39;s point has already been addressed.

Anyway you haven&#39;t addressed my points or are you blind?
You see, I have intimate knowledge of the record biz so I know the cost of manufacturing, royalty points for the artist, have done "work for hire", etc.
You are on this "this is wrong", "what if no one bought CDs" shit and are not addressing the "why".
Go back and do your homework>