Should I Kill Myself?

**bigboab** · 12-22-2003, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey+22 December 2003 - 01:41--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lamsey @ 22 December 2003 - 01:41)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-bigboab@22 December 2003 - 00:40
Balamm does a Moderator have access to scripts?

No, they don't. they can probably view the source of those they have access to, but that's all. [/b][/quote]
Well what I was try to find out Liam is if you had access to a script. I was going to ask you to post one. I think that you will find that nowhere in that script will you find the posters name, unless he specifically printed it in the post. All you would find is his record variable. This is why big businesses keep their user records separate from their main database. That way if you access the main database you do not know who is being referred to, because all you see is a variable reference.

**ThePlasticSurgeon** · 12-22-2003, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:32
No, because the avatar link is a dynamic variable of the type you described. However, the username change doesn't work like that.

Darker never specified exactly what it updates, but I assume it updates QUOTE tags to reflect the correct name. And it has to search every post.

How horribly inefficient! I thought the board stored the UserID with every post and not the actual name (In case you are wondering phpBB uses the more efficient way).

**Lamsey** · 12-22-2003, 01:51 AM

Originally posted by bigboab+22 December 2003 - 00:46--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigboab @ 22 December 2003 - 00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:41
<!--QuoteBegin-bigboab

@22 December 2003 - 00:40
Balamm does a Moderator have access to scripts?

No, they don't. they can probably view the source of those they have access to, but that's all.

Well what I was try to find out Liam is if you had access to a script. I was going to ask you to post one. I think that you will find that nowhere in that script will you find the posters name, unless he specifically printed it in the post. All you would find is his record variable. This is why big businesses keep their user records separate from their main database. That way if you access the main database you do not know who is being referred to, because all you see is a variable reference. [/b][/quote]
The updating of the variable is not the issue. That is done in milliseconds. However the text in each post has to be scanned and updated due to that change, as I specified above. The text of a username is explicitly embedded in a QUOTE tag. Try it.

As I said if you want more details than I can provide feel free to ask 7thElement.

**Lamsey** · 12-22-2003, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by ThePlasticSurgeon+22 December 2003 - 00:49--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ThePlasticSurgeon @ 22 December 2003 - 00:49)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Lamsey@22 December 2003 - 01:32
No, because the avatar link is a dynamic variable of the type you described. However, the username change doesn't work like that.

Darker never specified exactly what it updates, but I assume it updates QUOTE tags to reflect the correct name. And it has to search every post.

How horribly inefficient! I thought the board stored the UserID with every post and not the actual name (In case you are wondering phpBB uses the more efficient way). [/b][/quote]
Which is why we were considering a migration. IPB is just not designed for large-scale boards. Many of the moderation functions are poorly designed for large databases.

**Nimdock** · 12-22-2003, 01:55 AM

But the change is done as requested... not on the spot... when you change a name it doesn't go changing the name on all the posts made by that user, it just applies the name for x user that is on the database when a specific topic is requested.

**Lamsey** · 12-22-2003, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Nimdock@22 December 2003 - 00:55
But the change is done as requested... not on the spot... when you change a name it doesn't go changing the name on all the posts made by that user, it just applies the name for x user that is on the database when a specific topic is requested.

As I said, I don't know the particulars. I assume that it is the QUOTE tags which are updated for the reasons detailed above.

If you would continue to dispute what was originally posted here by Darker, then feel free to PM 7thElement and ask him - he has worked closely with Darker and will know about the issue.

**bigboab** · 12-22-2003, 02:00 AM

I am sorry Liam. In that case all the lecturers that I know and including myself have been issuing wrong information to students about the use of variables. For this I humbly apologize to all my former students, some of whom are now lecturers themselves, for misleading them.

I will now take no further part in this as apparantly I am wrong.

**balamm** · 12-22-2003, 02:02 AM

This is a copy of the admin/moderator functions. Obviously not much use without the cgi scripts but it shows how hidden everything is.

If you copy the source from your own page and post it into dreamweaver, frontpage, or notepad, you'll see it's all done by msg ID and member #.

Code:

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**Lamsey** · 12-22-2003, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by bigboab@22 December 2003 - 01:00
I am sorry Liam. In that case all the lecturers that I know and including myself have been issuing wrong information to students about the use of variables. For this I humbly apologize to all my former students, some of whom are now lecturers themselves, for misleading them.   I will now take no further part in this as apparantly I am wrong.

Read what I said. The variables are not the issue. In the IPB system the posts on the board have to be scanned and updated to match the new variable value when a username is updated.

I do not know exactly why this is, although my guess is that QUOTE tags (which are plain text, not a variable reference) have to be updated to refer to the new username.
However that may be wrong. If you really want to know what the specific problem is, contact 7thElement; he should know, as I said above.

**bigboab** · 12-22-2003, 02:06 AM

If that is the case the designers want to be put up against a wall and shot.

I should have thought that a quote was a cross reference, just another variable.

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