I'm All For The War. I Think Its Right

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by Spindulik+20 February 2003 - 12:12--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Spindulik @ 20 February 2003 - 12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Zardoz@20 February 2003 - 12:10

how many civilians will your &#036;20,000 kill?

It&#39;s not my &#036;20,00 anymore. The Gov. took it.

Let&#39;s see. If Sadam uses a hospital as a human barricade, I estimate 12 people&#39;s live will be sacrificed (11 scientists and on janitor). The money used for Iraq hospitals went to Sadams chemical weapons program.

If Sadam uses a grade school as a hide out, I estimate a few thousand live scould be gone.


I hate war. But with war, innocent lives are not spared. That is a shame.

Lets hope that a resolution can be arranged soon. If Sadam is guilty of crimes, then HE should pay&#33; Not innocent lives. [/b][/quote]
It&#39;s amazing how quick you disowned the 20,000 you were so proud of earlier

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by kevin13579@20 February 2003 - 14:49
Just read this article and have a few points to make:

1) How can you slag america off for &#39;sticking their noses in where its not wanted&#39; as many of you have said? America is essentially the worlds policing force, and dont say it should be NATO of UN because ultimately it is america that makes the most impact. Take american troops out of pakistanetc. etc. etc. and one can imagine the chaos that would ensue.

2)Do not continue to allow the Iraqi people to be punished because you are &#39;unhappy&#39; with the amount of power america is allowed to wield. Do not use the iraqi people as pawns in your game for moral superiority - when you allow a monster like saddam hussein to rule for 30 years without so much as protesting against his rule you lose the right to such a claim.

3)Whatever the true intentions of america for starting this war, the reality on the ground is that the majority of Iraqis, inside and outside Iraq, support the invasive actions because it is them that have to live with the realities of continuing as things are.

4)Wars are not fought today by barely trained civilians, they are fought with specialised proffesionals and technology, not by numbers. Thus the numerous points about &#39;putting your money where your mouth is&#39; are arrogant and stupid.

It is fact, and there are plentiful examples, of Iraqis who have fled the country; Iraqis who&#39;s family members have been imprisoned, tortured or have &#39;disappeared&#39; under Hussein&#39;s regime, in fact you will be hard pressed to find a family who hasn&#39;t.

I am not normally pro-war, however in this case, i think it has quite conclusively been shown that Saddam Hussein will not respond to anything other than, at the very least, the real and immediate threat of war. This is a person who has ignored 17 UN resolutions, still has a significant amount of chemicals unaccounted for in his country and is yet to account for them to the UN inspectors and has violated virtually every human right in existence.

You&#39;re calling us arogant

How can you Americans pretend to know what Iraqi&#39;s want, it just helps to purge the guilt when you kill hundreds of thousands of them if you believe "they wanted us to do it"

However you gloss over it America is like a monster out of control and innocent Iraqi&#39;s are going to be Killed and I am surtain they don&#39;t want that

[-=M3th0d=-]

errr...yes, whats ur point. Im not being fucking arrogant, im being realistic. I know iraqi families and i know people who have lost loved ones because of saddam hussein. So do u have a point to make?

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by kevin13579@20 February 2003 - 16:07
errr...yes, whats ur point. Im not being fucking arrogant, im being realistic. I know iraqi families and i know people who have lost loved ones because of saddam hussein. So do u have a point to make?

The point has been made by me more than once in this thread alone
read and you shall see
or are you so bigheaded that you cannot recognise what is firmly in frount of you

[jetje]

I know iraqi families and i know people who have lost loved ones because of saddam hussein.

Soon maybe you know people who lost loved ones by Bush Let the UN finish their job 1st, and wait for their result. If the observers report that it&#39;s nessesary to interfer the USA probably get a lot more of support (and understanding). B)

[-=M3th0d=-]

Sorry, in the heat of the moment i only read ur first line...and anyway maybe arrogant isnt the most fitting word, but nontheless im sure you can see my point.

Secondly im not american, i merely understand the role that they play in the peace-keeping of this world, which im sure you can as well. They are an out of control monster....striving for democracy and freedom? Not exactly hat id call a monster but hey, everyone&#39;s entitled to their opinion i guess.

Also ive just read the newspaper (daily telegraph) and there is an article written by Ahmad Chalabi (head of the Iraqi National Congress - the democratic opposition to Husseins regime, for the less informed amongst us) saying the iraqi people would support military action to remove Saddam Hussein, but not an external temporary government afterwards, stressing the importance for Iraq to create its own democracy.

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by jetje@20 February 2003 - 16:21

I know iraqi families and i know people who have lost loved ones because of saddam hussein.

Soon maybe you know people who lost loved ones by Bush Let the UN finish their job 1st, and wait for their result. If the observers report that it&#39;s nessesary to interfer the USA probably get a lot more of support (and understanding). B)

I agree completely jetje
America is to much of a bully to wait for proper authority
they will go in guns blazing and Iraqi&#39;s will be MURDERED (That&#39;s how I will consider the deaths)by America and anyone else who rushes in without proper evidence

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by kevin13579@20 February 2003 - 16:25
Sorry, in the heat of the moment i only read ur first line...and anyway maybe arrogant isnt the most fitting word, but nontheless im sure you can see my point.

Secondly im not american, i merely understand the role that they play in the peace-keeping of this world, which im sure you can as well. They are an out of control monster....striving for democracy and freedom? Not exactly hat id call a monster but hey, everyone&#39;s entitled to their opinion i guess.

Also ive just read the newspaper (daily telegraph) and&nbsp; there is an article written by Ahmad Chalabi (head of the Iraqi National Congress - the democratic opposition to Husseins regime, for the less informed amongst us) saying the iraqi people would support military action to remove Saddam Hussein, but not an external temporary government afterwards, stressing the importance for Iraq to create its own democracy.

Since when is democracy served by the imposition of American friendly governments
and who says these countries want America&#39;s version of democracy

America are not the police force of the planet they are the junta that imposes it&#39;s will on
any country that wont OBEY them

not democracy but Veiled DICTATORSHIP

This comment is not specifically directed at the Iraqi problem

[-=M3th0d=-]

did u not read the last paraqraph of my last post, or did your narrow mind just choose to ignore it because it went against your flawed, paranoid views?

[Zardoz]

Originally posted by kevin13579@20 February 2003 - 16:37
did u not read the last paraqraph of my last post, or did your narrow mind just choose to ignore it because it went against your flawed, paranoid views?

I read it and if you insist they strive for peace then I think you&#39;re wrong

they want to impose American friendly governments reguardless of the cost, moral perspective or willingness of the people involved. and I was not just talking solely about Iraq they have overthrown dozens of democratic governments in history
Hardly as democratic as you contend.

I&#39;d rather be paranoid than blind to the true nature of American forign policy