I'm All For The War. I Think Its Right

[-=M3th0d=-]

This has nothing to do with america, this is to do with the democratic faction of the iraqi people asking the world community for help in removing a genocidal, reppresive tyrrany in the form of Saddams Ba'athist regime.

[UKMan]

Listen to all this crap Sherlock. Doing what politicians have been doing for years - talk talk talk!!!

Here are my views:
Anyone have a good file to share?
Anyone have a good proggy they would like to talk about?
How can we make this forum better folks?
Have you visited the KLchat recently?
Any more news about the"verifieds"?

Oh right, this is the "Lounge":
Anyone been to a good party recently?
What beer do you drink?
How old are you?
What clubs do you hang out in?
Do you prefer blondes?


I can think of many other topics - but i guess you all wanna talk about war and death and killing and how right or wrong it is. At the other end of your P2P contact is a real live living person of flesh and blood, not some kind of cyber warrior who you can kill in one second and then get the cheat to bring him back alve again only to kill again! The bad guys - huh - makes you think whos really bad listening to all this garbage!

At least someone is trying to talk these idiots out of a war instead of just retaliating in the name of "The Mother Land"! I hope when i die i can look my fellow souls in the eyes and say sorry

Peace (the most ignored word on this planet)
UKMan

[insanebassman]

I agree with the war.
Not because the Prez. sez... He is a dickhead. I agree that Saddam should be made to treat his people in the fashion his own religion dictates. You want to quote the Qa'Ran, then follow it's true teachings. The prophet was not all about war and tyranny. It is the same as all these Jesus freaks here justifying shit in the name of thier god. They are punished and delt with. Why not the talking monkey in Iraq?

Unfortunatley, morality and humanity are not the issues most prevailant in this war. They are the reason I agree with the war. Leaders should not fuck with the people who work for the country... Sadam is not living up to his responsibility as a leader, and that is bad enough. That is not enough to get rid of him. He is, on the other hand commiting and supporting atrocities. This is not acceptable by any one. There are just some situations that need force. This is one of tem. Unfortunately, once commited, we are all supporting attrocities of war. So, those on our side who die, are the currency we pay for the act of getting rid of Iraq's chief monkey boy.

I do not agree with war. I do not think baby-Bush should be the one handling it. It looks like a family vendetta instead of an effort to get rid of an asshole. I hate to think there are going to be deaths in Iraq. The alternatives are no better than war. Therefore war is the answer. Diplomacy has not worked, inspectors are easily avoided and sanctions are a joke, as they only hurt the people of Iraq. (See Cuba)

Other choices? Any choice in which a fanatical egotist bent on death and Jihad is left in power is a bad choice. Here, we can vote him out next year, there, they need help... so I support a war I am opposed to... Lovely

[-=M3th0d=-]

Well said insanebassman, i agree, and UKman, this is an important issue of our generation and will go down in history so i think it should be discussed. Senior members and board gods are always saying how this forum is more than a P2P forum and the loungeis the place to discuss non-related kazaa stuff

[Rat Faced]

kevin13579

Much as i disagree with your politics, I agree with your sentiment that this is something that should be discussed...here in the lounge.

We have members from all over the world here...we are not going to change anything, or change each others minds....but if we can understand where they other side is coming from, the discussion has achieved something.

People cant help getting emotional on the subject of war...

[UKMan]

Originally posted by kevin13579@20 February 2003 - 18:04
Well said insanebassman, i agree, and UKman, this is an important issue of our generation and will go down in history so i think it should be discussed. Senior members and board gods are always saying how this forum is more than a P2P forum and the loungeis the place to discuss non-related kazaa stuff

Hiya Kevin,
of course its an important issue, but reading carefully through most of these threads gives me the shivers!
Of course we are all free to talk about whatever and i welcome it - but i still feel that politics dosnt have the answer. I hope you can guess my own views on the IRAQ crisis - i wont quote them here because it just creates more crap feedback (i am against the war, thats enough) - my point being in my post above that:
Stop the talking - no more politicians on this board please, they have caused enough problems! If you talk about a problem long enough, it gets so frustratingly difficult to solve, that we all end up shooting each other. Cant we just STOP and learn to live with each other for the very short 70+ years we all live here?

Peace bro - i mean that
UKMan

PS: Isnt it great to be back again ?

[ClubDiggler]

Originally posted by Zardoz+19 February 2003 - 11:43--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zardoz @ 19 February 2003 - 11:43)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--jetje@19 February 2003 - 10:21

come to me, i give you a weapon and you can join the fight, real cool post m8.

if you had to be in the war you probably would think different

but hey it&#39;s far away and i can see it on CNN
Man these ain&#39;t games your talkin&#39; about

All of you war supporters
I hear no mention of you going to fight
Where are you from?

I hope you&#39;re going to sign up or are you just blowing it out of your arse.

I hate armchair warmongers who are very happy to send others to their death

If you believe what you say, Put your life where your mouth is. [/b][/quote]
For all those people out there saying "I don&#39;t see you out there fighting."
I served in the military (USA) and I have a Jetfighter pilot brother too. Having said
all that, lets go and take care of business. Freedom for people of Iraq and out with
one crazy fucker (Saddam). Forget the other reasons. You can&#39;t always see your problems
dissapear by burying your head in the sand all the time. The USA did not become the great
nation that is is by doing that&#33; Peace thereafter....

[SuperJude™]

I can&#39;t wait for the America bashing to end, really.

Funny how people arrogantly accuse us of being arrogant.

Listen- people have opposing views.

It is too easy to look at one view and attack it. If you read something and do not agree then attack that view as "wrong" is that not in itself doing the exact thing you claim the other is doing?

That comment is aimed at the one person in particular in this thread who seems to be baiting us Americans under the guise of being "right" about everything.

Just your opinion bro and stop disrespecting and judging all of us here.

Discrimination is discrimination no matter how you dress it up.

-SJ™

[ClubDiggler]

Originally posted by SuperJude™@26 February 2003 - 00:06
I can&#39;t wait for the America bashing to end, really.

Funny how people arrogantly accuse us of being arrogant.

Listen- people have opposing views.

It is too easy to look at one view and attack it. If you read something and do not agree then attack that view as "wrong" is that not in itself doing the exact thing you claim the other is doing?

That comment is aimed at the one person in particular in this thread who seems to be baiting us Americans under the guise of being "right" about everything.

Just your opinion bro and stop disrespecting and judging all of us here.

Discrimination is discrimination no matter how you dress it up.

-SJ™

Well, this is what happens when you are on top&#33;&#33;&#33; someone will always try
and bring you down. It does not matter if you are right or wrong&#33;&#33;&#33;

[ClubDiggler]

Originally posted by maximboy99@20 February 2003 - 09:36

I can understand France/Germany not wanting to go to war, its America&#39;s problem, they brought it up in the first place.

Yah, lets just pretend like France and Germany are not part of the UN, and than you make a logical leap in your argument.

i do believe something needs to be done about saddam hussein but why does the USA have to be the main force behind that? see if the usa isnt careful one day they are going to step on the wrong toes and be in deep shit.

i know that the usa can take just about any country one on one but.....if you have a few countries gang up on the usa then theres a problem.

i live in the united states was born in the united states. i believe in freedom but i do not believe that the united states needs to be sticking their nose in every little conflict going on in the world.

ever heard the saying you stick your hand in the bees nest trying to get honey too many times youll get stung. thats whats going to happen to the US eventually if they keep on going the way they are.

no country including the usa is invincible&#33;

No doubt. We cannot isolate ourselves from the world because everytime the US does that, it bites us back. You could argue our actions will isolate us, but I &#39;m fairly confident a large coalition will come together on this. France and Germany are more likely to find themselves isolated than the US. I really don&#39;t want to have to go into this, but I firmly believe Saddam has WMD and is skirting the UN, and because of this, is a threat to the US and many other countries. Innaction is just as dangerous as action, but its easier to not act.

I may just sign off on this subject forever more. Things I say get misinterpreted, war sucks cause dead people IRL is not like the t.v. or a video game or a movie, it is very real.

I agree that opinions dont change often, but its important to understand that each side has moral and logical reasoning for their positions. It is important to have a dialogue, especially because this forum has so much world perspective. Europeans need to understand Americans; Americans need to understand Europeans (as well as the rest of the world). We are all friends in peace and democracy, and troubling times require dialogue. Sometimes the peaceful ways of our nations are disturbed and there is a need for discourse and action. Secondly, who DOESNT understand this is not TV? I think everyone understands just fine. Blowing off an argument because you dont think they understand it is "real" suggests someone has a psychological problem or are emotionally challenged. I dont think anyone who has found their way onto this forum has that issue, even the people I strongly disagree with.

All of you war supporters
I hear no mention of you going to fight
Where are you from?

I hope you&#39;re going to sign up or are you just blowing it out of your arse.

I hate armchair warmongers who are very happy to send others to their death

If you believe what you say, Put your life where your mouth is.

What a copout.

And are you going to be one of the dead
Are you going?

It&#39;s people like you sat in their IVORY towers who think 148 allied lives are irrelevant and what about the Iraqi lives
They obviously have no meaning
I bet MY LIFE that you hold your own far more important than any others especially the soldiers you so readily send to death
You disgust me, you cowardly small-minded fool
This time Sadam knows it&#39;s for keeps so there&#39;s nothing to stop him using chemical or bio weapons this time
If you think that there are only going to be 130 allied death then you really are more stupid than my wildest speculations

Your way off base here and you offer no solutions or constructive criticism. Would you like to base something on fact or maybe pose some logical arguments?

Turkey have already stated that they will NOT automatically support any war on Iraq, or indeed allow anyone to use their airbases for an attack on Iraq.

Good point, but that changed today when Turkey agreed to allow US to use their bases in return for a large sum of aid (see: money).

the 250,000 Iraqi&#39;s killed dont count as human lives to you?

Sicko...

Unlike some of your compatriots that are willing to debate, although not agree, you seem to want a war for TV entertainment as much as anything else.

Hell, you&#39;ve even upset other pro-war members, never mind the anti-war lobby, so I echo the sentements posted by one of them....


Go back and play your Red Alert2.

As to the Post regarding France/Germany....

Im sure I answered WHY Germany and France cant send troops to Turkey UNTIL Turkey is attacked elswhere.

Germany cannot deploy Troops outside of Germany unless called on by UN or is attacked (or NATO member is attacked)...Its ILLEGAL.....Im sure it was the USA that insisted on this after WWII, so why are you complaining?

France is in the unique position of not being a FULL member of NATO. It comes into NATO in times of war.

NEITHER country said they would not help Turkey if attacked. They will not, however send troops to the Iraqi border prior to them being attacked....as they do not wish to be associated with the US/UK attack on Iraq.

Quite frankly, neither do I......unfortunatly the UK Government is taking part...But NOT IN MY NAME

Rat Faced, I think your missing his point completely and responding emotionally. He is simply pointing out allied military casualties will likely be low. Secondly, thats passing judgement to say he doesn&#39;t care about the 250,000 killed, you cant know how he feels. Thirdly, France was not stopping troops from being placed on the Turkey/Iraq border. France tried to halt purely defensive capabilities which would protect Turkey from possible skud attacks, and France tried to block other non-attacking units like U2 planes.

Such a disregard for the safety of a Nato member just further displays that France is only playing politics. This seriously puts into question France&#39;s motivations for being opposed to this war. Further evidence of this, is the extremely offensive comments Chirac made about the 10 Eastern European countries that have come out in support of the US. France is playing dirty and I am starting to believe their motives are not in world security, but in French and EU political power (through EU unity). This is some serious stuff. If France wants to pretend like it has the moral high ground, it better start acting like a big boy.

Side-note: as for France not participating(specifically on a military level). Their military power is nominal and not needed in Iraq. The only thing "unique" about their policial positioning is they cant have a military position, because they have almost no military to speak of. I do think France should atleast obstain, if not support the war(but they probably wont). I&#39;ve said it before, France is against this war for the wrong reasons. And when its all over, France is going to look very bad.

You speak the truth&#33;&#33;&#33; And for all those people crying about
"How come USA has to be the one to handle these situations"

Well; who else&#33;&#33;&#33; Perhaps the French. Oh I think that would conflict
with their Iraqi oil deals. How dare they tell the smaller eastern european
nations to shut up when voicing their opinions. I agree with you when all this is all
over they will look real bad unless they wise up quickly&#33; By the way how about Chiracs&#39;
nomination for a Nobel Prize....What a joke&#33;&#33;&#33;

Also some of you out there would think differently about all this if you
lived in Iraq and you couldn&#39;t even voice your opinion by posting anything
here&#33; If you did you&#39;ll fear your ass would be chopped off. So for those people
out there. Enjoy your freedom of speech. Some people would like to have it too.
At least someone is willing to give it to them&#33;&#33;&#33; Peace