Us To Fingerprint & Photograph All Visa Travellers

[j2k4]

Originally posted by james_bond_rulez+3 January 2004 - 04:05--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (james_bond_rulez &#064; 3 January 2004 - 04:05)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4@2 January 2004 - 22:17
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@3 January 2004 - 03:07
well i dont think i&#39;ll be fingerprinted and dna tested when i enter the US (which i rarely do anyway)

since Canadian citizens can enter the US without a visa right?

JBR-

Let&#39;s assume, just for a moment, you submit to fingerprinting or DNA testing at the border.

What ill do you imagine would then befall you?

Serious question.

wow protection personal information is something u can&#39;t understand?

i dont know about u US folks but i&#39;d like the US gov to keep its nose out of my biological information such as my fingerprints and dns molecules

u guys dont mind having ur genitle exposed and being examined, I DO&#33;&#33;&#33;[/b][/quote]
Are you a risk?

Then I suppose you&#39;d want to keep your fingerprints private.

You don&#39;t want to come here anyway, but if you did, we&#39;d be onto you-and unless you&#39;re going to bomb something, no harm, no foul, yes?

But if your intentions were otherwise?

Also-

I assume instead of "dns molecules", you meant INS molecules?

Only Michael Jackson and Bill Clinton are subject to the, um...genitle search.


BTW-bigdawgfoxx-

That last was a very concise post.

[james_bond_rulez]

wow so much flame so lil love

sometimes i wonder why i hang around here

i post one opinion and everybody flames me

great forum this is

[Nexus UK]

the actual solution to all these arguments is very simple

@ All Americans

"next time dont put it off or complain. VOTE"

then the world will see a real POTUS in the white house.


thankyou and goodnight from a country that has had to put up with terrorism for a lot longer than the last few years. and still lets anyone in &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[vidcc]

what i don&#39;t understand is why they think that fingerprints and photos will stop the suicidal terrorist...after all surely they don&#39;t know the identity of every terrorist and new recruits will be used....once they have blown themselves up how is the fingerprint record going to help?
When i moved here i was photographed and fingerprinted beyond belief but i accepted it even though it didn&#39;t exactly make me feel welcome. i accepted it because my wife is American and we decided to live here. However i can see tourism fading fast as more and more honest law abiding people from around the world are put through the humiliation of being treated like a criminal the moment they step off the plane, and that is the whole point of the objections. Fingerprinting and photographing is viewed as something that only happens to criminals and it&#39;s not just humiliating it&#39;s kind of insulting to many
yes we do live in troubled times and yes security is important but is this really necessary? and does anyone think it will endear us to the rest of the world

[james_bond_rulez]

finally somebody who understands....

[Busyman]

Originally posted by vidcc@4 January 2004 - 06:46
what i don&#39;t understand is why they think that fingerprints and photos will stop the suicidal terrorist...after all surely they don&#39;t know the identity of every terrorist and new recruits will be used....once they have blown themselves up how is the fingerprint record going to help?
When i moved here i was photographed and fingerprinted beyond belief but i accepted it even though it didn&#39;t exactly make me feel welcome. i accepted it because my wife is American and we decided to live here. However i can see tourism fading fast as more and more honest law abiding people from around the world are put through the humiliation of being treated like a criminal the moment they step off the plane, and that is the whole point of the objections. Fingerprinting and photographing is viewed as something that only happens to criminals and it&#39;s not just humiliating it&#39;s kind of insulting to many
yes we do live in troubled times and yes security is important but is this really necessary? and does anyone think it will endear us to the rest of the world

Uh yeah...but you forget that the reason the WTC got flattened was because of attitudes like yours that were ubiquitous in our security.

After 9-11 I, as a Verizon telephone technician, still don&#39;t like having to go through more security measures by any given customer to do work FOR THEM. It is an inconvenience. It was much easier when I just showed my work badge and got the main telephone room key and went to do my work.....

..but there are levels of free. It seems that when people are used to going anywhere without anyone asking questions it feels very "relaxed". In fact it is also unregulated.

Realize that everyone does not have the good intentions for the US like you do.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by Busyman+4 January 2004 - 06:16--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Busyman @ 4 January 2004 - 06:16)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-vidcc@4 January 2004 - 06:46
what i don&#39;t understand is why they think that fingerprints and photos will stop the suicidal terrorist...after all surely they don&#39;t know the identity of every terrorist and&nbsp; new recruits will be used....once they have blown themselves up how is the fingerprint record going to help?
When i moved here i was photographed and fingerprinted beyond belief but i accepted it even though it didn&#39;t exactly make me feel welcome. i accepted it because my wife is American and we decided to live here. However i can see tourism fading fast as more and more honest law abiding people from around the world are put through the humiliation of being treated like a criminal the moment they step off the plane, and that is the whole point of the objections. Fingerprinting and photographing is viewed as something that only happens to criminals and it&#39;s not just humiliating it&#39;s kind of insulting to many
yes we do live in troubled times and yes security is important but is this really necessary? and does anyone think it will endear us to the rest of the world

Uh yeah...but you forget that the reason the WTC got flattened was because of attitudes like yours that were ubiquitous in our security.

After 9-11 I, as a Verizon telephone technician, still don&#39;t like having to go through more security measures by any given customer to do work FOR THEM. It is an inconvenience. It was much easier when I just showed my work badge and got the main telephone room key and went to do my work.....

..but there are levels of free. It seems that when people are used to going anywhere without anyone asking questions it feels very "relaxed". In fact it is also unregulated.

Realize that everyone does not have the good intentions for the US like you do. [/b][/quote]
so please explain just how it will stop 9/11 hapening again...as i said we don&#39;t know the identity of every terrorist and and never will and new recruits with no record would be used.
there was debate in congress about ending the visa waiver program but it was decided that it would not be to America&#39;s financial benefit to do so. is this not a loophole in security ?
i just feel that this particular action would cause more alienation than benefit.
if you work in a sensitive area then security should be tight after all that&#39;s where a terrorist could gain information....a very real threat
if the government decreed that all US citizens be fingerprinted and photographed after Mcveigh did his deed (internal terrorism) would you see it as just?

if it does or doesn&#39;t help security i am just putting a point of view and am not attacking your view, and i do realise that not everyone has my good intentions..i just don&#39;t see how this will help

[hobbes]

Only American citizens have the rights of freedom our people have.

The rest are here as visitors and we would like to know who you are. To make things simple, we could just close our doors period. You are not needed here for any reason. 9/11 would never have happened at all.

By letting the foreigners in, all we do is expose ourselves to risk without any possible benefit.

Perhaps had we known more about those we were training to fly, maybe they would never have been given access to their lessons.

Didn&#39;t one fellow tell his teacher that he did not care how to land, only take off?

Photos and fingerprints are used for routine granting of professional licenses here in the US. Not as an invasion of privacy, but to preserve the integrity of that field.

[MagicNakor]

Originally posted by hobbes@4 January 2004 - 07:59
...Photos and fingerprints are used for routine granting of professional licenses here in the US...

Which is slightly different than the British family of four taking their kids to see Disneyland for the first time.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by MagicNakor+4 January 2004 - 10:09--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MagicNakor &#064; 4 January 2004 - 10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-hobbes@4 January 2004 - 07:59
...Photos and fingerprints are used for routine granting of professional licenses here in the US...

Which is slightly different than the British family of four taking their kids to see Disneyland for the first time.

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British citizens are part of the Visa Waver Program:

Andorra (MRP) Iceland Norway
Australia Ireland Portugal
Austria Italy San Marino
Belgium (MRP) Japan Singapore
Brunei (MRP) Liechtenstein (MRP) Slovenia (MRP)
Denmark Luxembourg Spain
Finland Monaco Sweden
France the Netherlands Switzerland
Germany New Zealand United Kingdom


No need to worry, little Paddington and Chelsea will be ok.

Canadians are not part of this program but Citizens of Canada generally do not require a visa.

Though some do routinely request to be strip searched

I am a bit concerned that Scotland is part of this and I am writing my Senator about this issue. I think the Scottish should require a photo, fingerprints, and a police-artist sketch of what they are wearing under their kilts.