Us To Fingerprint & Photograph All Visa Travellers

[vidcc]

Originally posted by hobbes@4 January 2004 - 06:59
Only American citizens have the rights of freedom our people have.

The rest are here as visitors and we would like to know who you are.  To make things simple, we could just close our doors period. You are not needed here for any reason. 9/11 would never have happened at all.

By letting the foreigners in, all we do is expose ourselves to risk without any possible benefit.

Perhaps had we known more about those we were training to fly, maybe they would never have been given access to their lessons.

Didn't one fellow tell his teacher that he did not care how to land, only take off?

Photos and fingerprints are used for routine granting of professional licenses here in the US.  Not as an invasion of privacy, but to preserve the integrity of that field.

i still don't see how having the fingerprints of the 9/11 hijackers would have stopped it happening. perhaps it had more to do with the security for internal flights at the time ..we would just have known how many callouses they had.
the one saying he had no interest in take off or landing should have raised alarms but again his fingerprints would have helped none unless they had intelligence on him in the first place...as i said they will use unknown new recruits.

as for non Americans not bringing any benefits..well it was estimated in congress that America would lose (i read this in some newspaper) $28 billion generated by tourism from countries on the visa waiver program should they decide to end it (people put off if they need visas).......technology.........blah blah..etc.etc.

as pointed out there is a difference between a family of british tourists going to see mickey mouse and a vocational license...however i must point out that british tourists won't be fingerprinted as they are in the visa waiver program.
regardless of all the debate it's going to happen. i just hope it serves its purpose and doesn't alienate the USA from the rest of the world at a time when it needs friends.

[vidcc]

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Originally posted by MagicNakor@4 January 2004 - 10:09
<!--QuoteBegin-hobbes

@4 January 2004 - 07:59
...Photos and fingerprints are used for routine granting of professional licenses here in the US...

Which is slightly different than the British family of four taking their kids to see Disneyland for the first time.

British citizens are part of the Visa Waver Program:

Andorra (MRP) Iceland Norway
Australia Ireland Portugal
Austria Italy San Marino
Belgium (MRP) Japan Singapore
Brunei (MRP) Liechtenstein (MRP) Slovenia (MRP)
Denmark Luxembourg Spain
Finland Monaco Sweden
France the Netherlands Switzerland
Germany New Zealand United Kingdom


No need to worry, little Paddington and Chelsea will be ok.

Canadians are not part of this program but Citizens of Canada generally do not require a visa.

Though some do routinely request to be strip searched

I am a bit concerned that Scotland is part of this and I am writing my Senator about this issue. I think the Scottish should require a photo, fingerprints, and a police-artist sketch of what they are wearing under their kilts. [/b][/quote]
ok you posted the british citizen s on the visa waiver before me...but in my defence i have 3 kids all competing to see who can drive me insane first so it takes me longer to type

[J'Pol]

It really is quite simple, if you do not wish to follow the rules of Any country, simply do not go there.

That way your precious photograph and fingerprints are safe. There will be no invasion of your civil liberties and the concomitant return to the worst excesses of Nazism.

I believe the new UK passport is to contain a fingerpring (tho&#39; I am not sure) so it&#39;s not really a problem here. If you want a passport you have to give the intensely private details of photograph and possibly fingerprints anyway.

[vidcc]

Originally posted by J&#39;Pol@4 January 2004 - 18:26

I believe the new UK passport is to contain a fingerpring (tho&#39; I am not sure) so it&#39;s not really a problem here. If you want a passport you have to give the intensely private details of photograph and possibly fingerprints anyway.

i&#39;m not sure if the new passport will have the fingerprint either , however i think that as a british subject you will have to have one of the new machine readable passports to be able to enter the USA..not sure of the date for this. your old style passport even if still valid won&#39;t be allowed, and i have no doubt that the cost will be bourne by the passport holder..as was planned for the national ID scheme.

[Nexus UK]

ALL U.K passports will be Biometric by 2006-7 then as older ones are renewed/run out - like the u.k driving licence which has photo on it.

oh and as for closing the door on visitors, will that keep your government officials from going on selling trips to dictators in Iraq/libya/afghanistan.

do not misunderstand me, hell i have just come back from the u.s and love going back (NOT DISNEY) but until a "fair and balanced view" is in the white house, please excuse us

any policy/law changes MAY be needed but,

would you have listened to Stalin lecture on freedom at the u.n.??????

even if he was 100% right

Now think how many people would have raised a complaint if Clinton was still there?

almost none for my money.

[Arm]

Originally posted by Nexus UK@4 January 2004 - 05:32
the actual solution to all these arguments is very simple

@ All Americans

"next time dont put it off or complain. VOTE"

The elections were rigged and all the politicians who have any chance of getting into office are fucking crooks.

[leftism]

Lets apply a little logic.

The 9/11 terrorists didnt use false ID&#39;s. Even if they had been fingerprinted and had their DNA taken it wouldnt have changed a thing.

These measures wont guarantee your safety, they will however guarantee an illusion of safety. Surprisingly, this seems to be more than adequate for many people.

[MagicNakor]

I suppose it could have changed something if the United States had a huge database of 6,340,613,474 fingerprints and possible political and religious associations.

But it doesn&#39;t.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by leftism@6 January 2004 - 22:31
Lets apply a little logic.

The 9/11 terrorists didnt use false ID&#39;s. Even if they had been fingerprinted and had their DNA taken it wouldnt have changed a thing.

These measures wont guarantee your safety, they will however guarantee an illusion of safety. Surprisingly, this seems to be more than adequate for many people.

Your post does have, as you say, "little logic".

In case you missed it, we are living in the "post-9-11" world, where an effort is afoot to plug some of the holes previously extant in our incredibly leaky boat.

Is it your position that, since you deem steps currently being implemented are inadequate, or illogical, we should do nothing?

You strike me as a bright individual-you must, therefore, have a brilliant idea or two-let&#39;s hear them.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@7 January 2004 - 00:00
I suppose it could have changed something if the United States had a huge database of 6,340,613,474 fingerprints and possible political and religious associations.

But it doesn&#39;t.

Geez, MN-

Do we really need all 6,340,613,474 of them?

Can&#39;t we even leave you off the list?