Us To Fingerprint & Photograph All Visa Travellers

[MagicNakor]

Obviously not - I've had my trunk lining ripped apart by an overzealous marine. No explanation as to why, either. And, of course, no compensation for getting it fixed, when (oddly enough) the bare wood and metal was shown.

Contrary to what seems to be the popular rhetoric, the world did not change on September 11th, 2002. The United States is, frankly, overreacting. Quite a few other countries have had, and continue to have, acts of terrorism. The only thing that was brand-spanking-new was the use of fully-fueled airplanes flown into buildings and blowing said buildings up.

Of course, an irritated elephant is far more dangerous than a terrier, which is why, to an extent, certain governments are more willing to placate it.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@7 January 2004 - 02:13
Of course, an irritated elephant is far more dangerous than a terrier, which is why, to an extent, certain governments are more willing to placate it.

True enough.

But, as you say, other countries have suffered and continue to suffer acts of terrorism, despite their best efforts to forestall them.

The Elephant is arrogant enough to attempt to shoot for zero-tolerance of terrorist acts.

I suppose we'll be keel-hauled for being intolerant.

[MagicNakor]

However, forcing other governments to adopt your procedures and restrictions (when they aren't even implemented in the United States) is completely ridiculous.

Force them into your own government practices first. Lead by example. And for Pete's sake stop blaming Canada for everything.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by MagicNakor@7 January 2004 - 02:38
However, forcing other governments to adopt your procedures and restrictions (when they aren't even implemented in the United States) is completely ridiculous.

Force them into your own government practices first. Lead by example. And for Pete's sake stop blaming Canada for everything.

What?

Now you want us to stop blaming you?

No way....you're just too handy.


I will reiterate my sentiment:

I love Canada, and everyone in it-always have, and always will.

Except Jean Chretien.

I like France and it's citizens, too.

Except Jacques Chirac.

All clear now?

[leftism]

Originally posted by j2k4+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Your post does have, as you say, "little logic".[/b]

Originally posted by j2k4+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>In case you missed it, we are living in the "post-9-11" world, where an effort is afoot to plug some of the holes previously extant in our incredibly leaky boat.[/b]

This isnt going to plug any holes. You honestly think known international terrorists are going to board a plane, allow themselves to be identified and get caught by this system? If you believe that you must think the terrorists are as stupid as yourself which, unfortunately for the US, they aren&#39;t.

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Is it your position that, since you deem steps currently being implemented are inadequate, or illogical, we should do nothing?
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No. Is it your position that implementing completely useless &#39;steps&#39; is a good strategy?

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You strike me as a bright individual-you must, therefore, have a brilliant idea or two-let&#39;s hear them.[/quote]

Sure.

I suggest you do something. Preferably an expensive and inconvenient something. Don&#39;t worry about whether it&#39;ll work or not. Thats irrelevant.

The important thing is that when the job is done you can stand back and loudly proclaim "WE DID SOMETHING&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;"

Then you can live in a fantasy world of illusional safety.. then when you get attacked again you can stand back and say...

"I DONT UNDERSTAND.. IT HAPPENED AGAIN&#33;&#33; BUT THIS TIME WE DID SOMETHING&#33;&#33;"

I&#39;m not sure about the next steps after that, its a little hazy, but I&#39;m fairly certain they will involve doing &#39;something&#39;.

[hobbes]

And the harm done is what?

As I have said, whatever your country deems necessary I will gladly comply. If it is a bit too much, I simply won&#39;t visit.

[leftism]

Originally posted by hobbes
And the harm done is what?

Apart from wasting money, manpower, time and inconveniencing thousands of people to achieve nothing more than a false sense of security its not going to be drastically harmful.

I just think that security measures should be judged primarily on their effectiveness.

[j2k4]

Originally posted by leftism+7 January 2004 - 03:55--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism @ 7 January 2004 - 03:55)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Originally posted by j2k4+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (j2k4)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Your post does have, as you say, "little logic".[/b]

Originally posted by j2k4
In case you missed it, we are living in the "post-9-11" world, where an effort is afoot to plug some of the holes previously extant in our incredibly leaky boat.

This isnt going to plug any holes. You honestly think known international terrorists are going to board a plane, allow themselves to be identified and get caught by this system? If you believe that you must think the terrorists are as stupid as yourself which, unfortunately for the US, they aren&#39;t.

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Is it your position that, since you deem steps currently being implemented are inadequate, or illogical, we should do nothing?

No. Is it your position that implementing completely useless &#39;steps&#39; is a good strategy?

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You strike me as a bright individual-you must, therefore, have a brilliant idea or two-let&#39;s hear them.[/quote]

Sure.

I suggest you do something. Preferably an expensive and inconvenient something. Don&#39;t worry about whether it&#39;ll work or not. Thats irrelevant.

The important thing is that when the job is done you can stand back and loudly proclaim "WE DID SOMETHING&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;"

Then you can live in a fantasy world of illusional safety.. then when you get attacked again you can stand back and say...

"I DONT UNDERSTAND.. IT HAPPENED AGAIN&#33;&#33; BUT THIS TIME WE DID SOMETHING&#33;&#33;"

I&#39;m not sure about the next steps after that, its a little hazy, but I&#39;m fairly certain they will involve doing &#39;something&#39;. [/b][/quote]
Spoken like a true terrorist.

Or simple provocateur.

I can&#39;t decide which.

[hobbes]

Originally posted by leftism+7 January 2004 - 09:44--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (leftism &#064; 7 January 2004 - 09:44)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-hobbes
And the harm done is what?

Apart from wasting money, manpower, time and inconveniencing thousands of people to achieve nothing more than a false sense of security its not going to be drastically harmful.

I just think that security measures should be judged primarily on their effectiveness. [/b][/quote]
Critcism is for the uninspired.

What do you offer?

BTW, in planning a trip or relocation to another country, the additional effort of a photograph and fingerprinting is a pittance.

Certainly this a far cry from the holocaust decried by the Brazilian judge, no? A "xenophobic policy, worthy of the worst horrors commited by the Nazi&#39;s"

So you may find the policy ineffective, but that has no bearing on the original post. And how do you deal with my response that I am willing to comply with whatever policy a host country employs. After all, if I visit them, I should play by their rules.

[MagicNakor]

Jean Chretien ceased to be Prime Minister in December. Paul Martin&#39;s the "new" guy now. And, unfortunately for us, he&#39;s more American-friendly.

We&#39;re used to being the United States&#39; scapegoat. But four major blame-sessions in a year is a little much.