Any Chemists Here? Know One?please Come On In!

[Spicker]

Originally posted by SciManAl@6 January 2004 - 05:49
hmm nice work it is good to know that in all my good findings that i have awakened some knowledge in another persons mind, to see the person comprehend and then comunicate thier minds is always music to my hears... (i really need to stop teaching classes... lol umm yes that is close very close... that was the problem clocker helped me solve... hmm... don't want to give away what i found out though so i won't help you further... that problem WILL stop you i think... so untill i come back in a week with patent pending (or so i am told) i will not be talking any more...

i wish i had ur brains!

i wish i cud do sumthin like tht

[Duffman]

i certainly wasn't one of the smarter kids in my class but i understood stuff enough

[Spicker]

Originally posted by SciManAl@6 January 2004 - 05:54
i know your intentions are good... (85 not bad i get around 78-83) hehe i know that simply the very basic elements you are placing together are what can be used to make this system work.. this system is really phenominally simple... (something that means it will be relitivly cheap...)

cheap IS GOOD

i love computers and evrything but i dunt noe wt to do....with tht knowledge...

[Duffman]

if i had forums like this when i got my first computer w3.1, like 8mb or ram, duel 2mb hds i think and aol, before version 2.o im talking actual aol version aol, and i learned everything my self, id know a helluva lot more if i had these forums years ago

[Spicker]

Originally posted by Duffman3@6 January 2004 - 06:00
if i had forums like this when i got my first computer w3.1, like 8mb or ram, duel 2mb hds i think and aol, before version 2.o im talking actual aol version aol, and i learned everything my self, id know a helluva lot more if i had these forums years ago

my first computer was a 486 8mb ram 500meg hdd 75MHZ win.95

i learnt lots of things...from tht computer....

k guyz im off to bed! bye

[Duffman]

this is a loose loose loose diagram, basically the blue is cool water, red hot use your imagination where in my pic it goes in and out in the real thing it will go into the computer and attach in a way to the compomnents of the computer. The box at the top has a cooling agent to recool the water and the slant prevent the water from going down the wrong tube and stoping the cycle, didn't wanna get to detailed cause its late and im going to bed, but just some food for thought

[_John_Lennon_]

Skeptic here.

Okay, so let me get this straight, SciManAl, you have one big massive heatpipe solution, and I assume that it has heatsinks that connect to your CPU, and Northbridge of course. Now, inside this heatsink, lets just say that the outside is made out of copper, enclosed per say. So inside is X fluid, is in this enclosed heatpipe, and it somehow settles near the processors, or other hot spots. Because off the heat coming off of the hot spots, X solution heats, and boils, at the nice point of 30C so or whatever. Now,

1. This is my main gripe. Where does it rise to relative to the case? the processors on ATX boards are areadly on the top of the boxes, so where would the heated, and vapor form of X solution cool down? Would we have to mod all our cases so it mods up further above?

2. Along with number 1, another question. Okay, so lets say it does evaporate and rises up to Y area to cool off. My question is, how is it going to cool off? Has someone already stated, the energy that is in X solution as a vapor is not destroyed, it merely changes form, into heat. But, now, you have heat, that merely's traveled from your CPU's, to the top of Y area. How are you going to cool Y area off? Hah, air perhaps? Well heck, if its air, then I bet a fan or two would do a better job, then right? See my point? Also, the liquid nitrogen, to ultimately cool the X soltution, would somehow end up going away because of its willingness to return to room temperature, (or in this case, an even higher temperature) as a result the Liquid Nitrogen would end up going away. Am I going to have to get a recharge of LO every few weeks? Days?

3. Now for your X solution. You are looking to have something that boils at about 30C. Which would mean about 86C, last time my converting was correct. Even if you did find a solution that boiled at this point, do you actually think that this would be safe, and feasible to manfacturer, and put in your heatpipe? I mean come on, is this stuff going to made in the arctic, to prevent the damn chemical, (which will of course be posionous, and hazardous, knowing its low boiling point) from evaporating during the manfacturing, or installation process of it, in the heatpipe?

4. What about expandability. This will be pretty much a hollow shell I would imagine, with X liquid in it. Well, what if I want to cool my video card? How would I (an overclocking and DIY person) be able to install an extension to cool my card, and memory of course? The sheer idea of addons seems implausable, because where would I connect the addon? It would have to have X liquid in it as well, but how would it link up to the main chamber?

5. With these ideas in mind, what makes this appeal to me. Now this is more the marketing side of things, but its still another important part. What makes your heatpipe solution, 'better' than, watercooling?


Just a few questions, so IM me sometime if you want to talk. Drksideoftheloon

[SciManAl]

Sorry for being away... i was really bummed out.. it already exits... it already exists... hmmm... i am pretty sad... but in any case i will make them anyway... i have yet to see it made publicly and as such i don't see a reason why i can't on small scale make some of them... (non profit, for the poeple that need them)

Now since the patent is already there besides a few trade secrets i wil open up about my project...

1. This is my main gripe. Where does it rise to relative to the case? the processors on ATX boards are areadly on the top of the boxes, so where would the heated, and vapor form of X solution cool down? Would we have to mod all our cases so it mods up further above?

The cooling unit (my newest version, the original exploded.. ) is about as big asd a CD drive plus a little hight and it fits in a bigger computer case right infront of the PSU... it SHOULD fit over the tops dive and if not, it could even be mounted there.

2. Along with number 1, another question. Okay, so lets say it does evaporate and rises up to Y area to cool off. My question is, how is it going to cool off? Has someone already stated, the energy that is in X solution as a vapor is not destroyed, it merely changes form, into heat. But, now, you have heat, that merely's traveled from your CPU's, to the top of Y area. How are you going to cool Y area off? Hah, air perhaps? Well heck, if its air, then I bet a fan or two would do a better job, then right? See my point? Also, the liquid nitrogen, to ultimately cool the X soltution, would somehow end up going away because of its willingness to return to room temperature, (or in this case, an even higher temperature) as a result the Liquid Nitrogen would end up going away. Am I going to have to get a recharge of LO every few weeks? Days?

I also had this problem however the way it works, as in testing has shown is that as the liqaud nitrogen gets hotter it wiol try to expand, and when the it hits the steel block, (around 300 psi) it is forced to stay at least a certain amount of cold, as the energy is put into force against the Steel block (original was aluminum, so it exploded during long term..)

3. Now for your X solution. You are looking to have something that boils at about 30C. Which would mean about 86C, last time my converting was correct. Even if you did find a solution that boiled at this point, do you actually think that this would be safe, and feasible to manfacturer, and put in your heatpipe? I mean come on, is this stuff going to made in the arctic, to prevent the damn chemical, (which will of course be posionous, and hazardous, knowing its low boiling point) from evaporating during the manfacturing, or installation process of it, in the heatpipe?

water is "chemical x" trade secret.. but yes hear my words water...

4. What about expandability. This will be pretty much a hollow shell I would imagine, with X liquid in it. Well, what if I want to cool my video card? How would I (an overclocking and DIY person) be able to install an extension to cool my card, and memory of course? The sheer idea of addons seems implausable, because where would I connect the addon? It would have to have X liquid in it as well, but how would it link up to the main chamber?

Firstly i expect the only poeple to buy this would be OCers ect.. but it comes standerd with all those parts.. all parts are subject to a vacume, and that was a problem to maintain that lack of pressure... I made a circut/pump combo that is really small that will in about 2 minute or less take normal atmospher inside the Cooling unit and remove that atmosphere. I also used a Memebrane to keep the water in the unit and not get pumped out... umm the things are however connected via on/off valves.. a total of 8 in and out valves are present... so five items can be cooled... I have made several heatsinks similar to the ones used in the PS2 console to cool different things in the computer ranging from the harddrive, PSU, northbridge, CPU, RAM, Vid card proccsor and Ram.

5. With these ideas in mind, what makes this appeal to me. Now this is more the marketing side of things, but its still another important part. What makes your heatpipe solution, 'better' than, watercooling?

Well it is silent, uses almost no electricity (only a tiny pump... about 1 inch diameter), can keep up to 5 plummers torches heating hot plates at 50c or less... it is the best of all worlds i think... So i think it IS better than water cooling, air cooling, etc and it is less than 250 bucks... water cooling can be more...


well ia m bummed out about this whole thing... i guess i just won't be the first to make it... i won't be able to get a patent, but it is a 20 year old patent, so i can definitly still use it... just i won't be protected... hmmm

well thanks guys allot of constructive critisism was thrown my way and it helped allot. I may not get to be a major manufactorer, but i stil make some for my buddies... (KL board and beyond) My biggest problem now is production... It would be nice if poeple that had machine shops could replicate this system for themselvfes, so that i can help multiblew poeple become proficent in tweaking the system so that it is ready to use... (Clocker hehehehehehe


anyway poeple thanks one last time! I will be on now for the long run.

[DWk]

Awwww that's bad news

Sorry it didn't work man. Keep it up!

[SciManAl]

Awwww that's bad news

Sorry it didn't work man. Keep it up! 

thanks... hehehehehehehehehehehehe no harm, i ended like i started so i think it is ok... at least i am not describing hhow i got married in Vagas and how they divorced and took my money...